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  1. #1
    DaleW Guest

    Default TN: Pink Beaujolais

    Dinner had an Asian theme, citrus/soy marinaded tuna steaks, kimchee,
    tofu hiyayakko, and broccoli, wine was not Asian, the 2008 JP Brun/
    Terres Dorees "Rose de Folie" Beaujolais. Pink Beaujolais isn't common
    around here, this is a nice straightahead rose. Strawberry and a
    little raspberry, a bit lean, good acidity, clean finish. I enjoy,
    though it's not really a wine that I would search for. Pleasant. B

    Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
    *

  2. #2
    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: TN: Pink Beaujolais

    On May 12, 3:24�pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > Dinner had an Asian theme, citrus/soy marinaded tuna steaks, kimchee,
    > tofu hiyayakko, and broccoli, wine was not Asian, the 2008 JP Brun/
    > Terres Dorees "Rose de Folie" Beaujolais. Pink Beaujolais isn't common
    > around here, this is a nice straightahead rose. Strawberry and a
    > little raspberry, a bit lean, good acidity, clean finish. I enjoy,
    > though it's not really a wine that I would search for. Pleasant. B
    >
    > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
    > �


    Never seen one let alone had one. Sounds interesting but if I'm being
    honest, Gamay isn't one of my favorite varietals. I don't really like
    banana and I get a lot of banana in many Beaujolais.

  3. #3
    DaleW Guest

    Default Re: TN: Pink Beaujolais

    On May 12, 5:43*pm, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
    > On May 12, 3:24 pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Dinner had an Asian theme, citrus/soy marinaded tuna steaks, kimchee,
    > > tofu hiyayakko, and broccoli, wine was not Asian, the 2008 JP Brun/
    > > Terres Dorees "Rose de Folie" Beaujolais. Pink Beaujolais isn't common
    > > around here, this is a nice straightahead rose. Strawberry and a
    > > little raspberry, a bit lean, good acidity, clean finish. I enjoy,
    > > though it's not really a wine that I would search for. Pleasant. B

    >
    > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
    > >

    >
    > Never seen one let alone had one. *Sounds interesting but if I'm being
    > honest, Gamay isn't one of my favorite varietals. *I don't really like
    > banana and I get a lot of banana in many Beaujolais.


    Do you get banana from Gamay that doesn't use 71B yeast? I've gotten
    plenty of banana from DuBouef and other producers who used 71B, but
    never in a more artisanal producer who used indigenous yeasts.
    This is a fun wine , but not something that is compelling.

  4. #4
    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: TN: Pink Beaujolais

    On May 12, 6:02�pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > On May 12, 5:43�pm, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On May 12, 3:24 pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:

    >
    > > > Dinner had an Asian theme, citrus/soy marinaded tuna steaks, kimchee,
    > > > tofu hiyayakko, and broccoli, wine was not Asian, the 2008 JP Brun/
    > > > Terres Dorees "Rose de Folie" Beaujolais. Pink Beaujolais isn't common
    > > > around here, this is a nice straightahead rose. Strawberry and a
    > > > little raspberry, a bit lean, good acidity, clean finish. I enjoy,
    > > > though it's not really a wine that I would search for. Pleasant. B

    >
    > > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > > > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > > > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > > > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

    >
    > > Never seen one let alone had one. �Sounds interesting but if I'm being
    > > honest, Gamay isn't one of my favorite varietals. �I don't really like
    > > banana and I get a lot of banana in many Beaujolais.

    >
    > Do you get banana from Gamay that doesn't use 71B yeast? I've gotten
    > plenty of banana from DuBouef and other producers who used 71B, but
    > never in a more artisanal producer who used indigenous yeasts.
    > This is a fun wine , but not something that is compelling.- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    I never thought of it as a yeast issue but I think you're right. I do
    get a fruit-punch flavor from Gamay that I include in the "banana"
    group.

  5. #5
    Lawrence Leichtman Guest

    Default Re: TN: Pink Beaujolais

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    "Bi!!" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On May 12, 6:02?pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > > On May 12, 5:43?pm, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > > On May 12, 3:24 pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:

    > >
    > > > > Dinner had an Asian theme, citrus/soy marinaded tuna steaks, kimchee,
    > > > > tofu hiyayakko, and broccoli, wine was not Asian, the 2008 JP Brun/
    > > > > Terres Dorees "Rose de Folie" Beaujolais. Pink Beaujolais isn't common
    > > > > around here, this is a nice straightahead rose. Strawberry and a
    > > > > little raspberry, a bit lean, good acidity, clean finish. I enjoy,
    > > > > though it's not really a wine that I would search for. Pleasant. B

    > >
    > > > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > > > > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > > > > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > > > > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

    > >
    > > > Never seen one let alone had one. ?Sounds interesting but if I'm being
    > > > honest, Gamay isn't one of my favorite varietals. ?I don't really like
    > > > banana and I get a lot of banana in many Beaujolais.

    > >
    > > Do you get banana from Gamay that doesn't use 71B yeast? I've gotten
    > > plenty of banana from DuBouef and other producers who used 71B, but
    > > never in a more artisanal producer who used indigenous yeasts.
    > > This is a fun wine , but not something that is compelling.- Hide quoted
    > > text -
    > >
    > > - Show quoted text -

    >
    > I never thought of it as a yeast issue but I think you're right. I do
    > get a fruit-punch flavor from Gamay that I include in the "banana"
    > group.


    I get a fruit salad component as well. Even tropical fruits at times.
    For some this could be off putting for a red wine.

  6. #6
    Mark Lipton Guest

    Default Re: TN: Pink Beaujolais

    Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
    > In article
    > <[email protected]>,
    > "Bi!!" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>On May 12, 6:02?pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On May 12, 5:43?pm, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>On May 12, 3:24 pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>>Dinner had an Asian theme, citrus/soy marinaded tuna steaks, kimchee,
    >>>>>tofu hiyayakko, and broccoli, wine was not Asian, the 2008 JP Brun/
    >>>>>Terres Dorees "Rose de Folie" Beaujolais. Pink Beaujolais isn't common
    >>>>>around here, this is a nice straightahead rose. Strawberry and a
    >>>>>little raspberry, a bit lean, good acidity, clean finish. I enjoy,
    >>>>>though it's not really a wine that I would search for. Pleasant. B
    >>>
    >>>>>Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    >>>>>wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    >>>>>drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    >>>>>promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
    >>>
    >>>>Never seen one let alone had one. ?Sounds interesting but if I'm being
    >>>>honest, Gamay isn't one of my favorite varietals. ?I don't really like
    >>>>banana and I get a lot of banana in many Beaujolais.
    >>>
    >>>Do you get banana from Gamay that doesn't use 71B yeast? I've gotten
    >>>plenty of banana from DuBouef and other producers who used 71B, but
    >>>never in a more artisanal producer who used indigenous yeasts.
    >>>This is a fun wine , but not something that is compelling.- Hide quoted
    >>>text -
    >>>
    >>>- Show quoted text -

    >>
    >>I never thought of it as a yeast issue but I think you're right. I do
    >>get a fruit-punch flavor from Gamay that I include in the "banana"
    >>group.

    >
    >
    > I get a fruit salad component as well. Even tropical fruits at times.
    > For some this could be off putting for a red wine.


    I'll echo Dale's comment that it's important to distinguish the
    artisanal producers in Beaujolais from the big commercial outfits. Not
    only does DuBoeuf use the dreaded 71B yeast but also a technique that he
    calls "thermovinification" that involves heating the must. Not to say
    that the wines are necessarily bad, but they are quite different from a
    Lapierre or Foillard Morgon.

    Mark Lipton

    --
    alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net

  7. #7
    Lawrence Leichtman Guest

    Default Re: TN: Pink Beaujolais

    In article <guga24$414$[email protected]>, Mark Lipton <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
    > > In article
    > > <[email protected]>,
    > > "Bi!!" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>On May 12, 6:02?pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>On May 12, 5:43?pm, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>On May 12, 3:24 pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>>>Dinner had an Asian theme, citrus/soy marinaded tuna steaks, kimchee,
    > >>>>>tofu hiyayakko, and broccoli, wine was not Asian, the 2008 JP Brun/
    > >>>>>Terres Dorees "Rose de Folie" Beaujolais. Pink Beaujolais isn't common
    > >>>>>around here, this is a nice straightahead rose. Strawberry and a
    > >>>>>little raspberry, a bit lean, good acidity, clean finish. I enjoy,
    > >>>>>though it's not really a wine that I would search for. Pleasant. B
    > >>>
    > >>>>>Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > >>>>>wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > >>>>>drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > >>>>>promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
    > >>>
    > >>>>Never seen one let alone had one. ?Sounds interesting but if I'm being
    > >>>>honest, Gamay isn't one of my favorite varietals. ?I don't really like
    > >>>>banana and I get a lot of banana in many Beaujolais.
    > >>>
    > >>>Do you get banana from Gamay that doesn't use 71B yeast? I've gotten
    > >>>plenty of banana from DuBouef and other producers who used 71B, but
    > >>>never in a more artisanal producer who used indigenous yeasts.
    > >>>This is a fun wine , but not something that is compelling.- Hide quoted
    > >>>text -
    > >>>
    > >>>- Show quoted text -
    > >>
    > >>I never thought of it as a yeast issue but I think you're right. I do
    > >>get a fruit-punch flavor from Gamay that I include in the "banana"
    > >>group.

    > >
    > >
    > > I get a fruit salad component as well. Even tropical fruits at times.
    > > For some this could be off putting for a red wine.

    >
    > I'll echo Dale's comment that it's important to distinguish the
    > artisanal producers in Beaujolais from the big commercial outfits. Not
    > only does DuBoeuf use the dreaded 71B yeast but also a technique that he
    > calls "thermovinification" that involves heating the must. Not to say
    > that the wines are necessarily bad, but they are quite different from a
    > Lapierre or Foillard Morgon.
    >
    > Mark Lipton


    I can't stand any of the DuBoeuf Beaujolais. Off putting smells and
    tastes in most of them.

  8. #8
    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: TN: Pink Beaujolais

    On May 14, 1:26�am, Mark Lipton <not...@eudrup.ude> wrote:
    > Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
    > > In article
    > > <3524a678-4a2b-4f45-bbef-4fa180dbc...@b1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
    > > �"Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:

    >
    > >>On May 12, 6:02?pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:

    >
    > >>>On May 12, 5:43?pm, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:

    >
    > >>>>On May 12, 3:24 pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>Dinner had an Asian theme, citrus/soy marinaded tuna steaks, kimchee,
    > >>>>>tofu hiyayakko, and broccoli, wine was not Asian, the 2008 JP Brun/
    > >>>>>Terres Dorees "Rose de Folie" Beaujolais. Pink Beaujolais isn't common
    > >>>>>around here, this is a nice straightahead rose. Strawberry and a
    > >>>>>little raspberry, a bit lean, good acidity, clean finish. I enjoy,
    > >>>>>though it's not really a wine that I would search for. Pleasant. B

    >
    > >>>>>Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > >>>>>wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > >>>>>drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > >>>>>promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

    >
    > >>>>Never seen one let alone had one. ?Sounds interesting but if I'm being
    > >>>>honest, Gamay isn't one of my favorite varietals. ?I don't really like
    > >>>>banana and I get a lot of banana in many Beaujolais.

    >
    > >>>Do you get banana from Gamay that doesn't use 71B yeast? I've gotten
    > >>>plenty of banana from DuBouef and other producers who used 71B, but
    > >>>never in a more artisanal producer who used indigenous yeasts.
    > >>>This is a fun wine , but not something that is compelling.- Hide quoted
    > >>>text -

    >
    > >>>- Show quoted text -

    >
    > >>I never thought of it as a yeast issue but I think you're right. �I do
    > >>get a fruit-punch flavor from Gamay that I include in the "banana"
    > >>group.

    >
    > > I get a fruit salad component as well. Even tropical fruits at times.
    > > For some this could be off putting for a red wine.

    >
    > I'll echo Dale's comment that it's important to distinguish the
    > artisanal producers in Beaujolais from the big commercial outfits. Not
    > only does DuBoeuf use the dreaded 71B yeast but also a technique that he
    > calls "thermovinification" that involves heating the must. �Not to say
    > that the wines are necessarily bad, but they are quite different from a
    > Lapierre or Foillard Morgon.
    >
    > Mark Lipton
    >
    > --
    > alt.food.wine FAQ: �http://winefaq.cwdjr.net- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    I'll have to find a Lapierre or a Foillard Morgon. Since I never
    cared for Gamay based wines, I really never spent much time looking
    but I'll give them a try.

  9. #9
    Mark Lipton Guest

    Default Re: TN: Pink Beaujolais

    Bi!! wrote:

    > I'll have to find a Lapierre or a Foillard Morgon. Since I never
    > cared for Gamay based wines, I really never spent much time looking
    > but I'll give them a try.


    Bill,
    I just picked those two producers randomly, but there are now
    literally dozens of artisanal producers working in Beaujolais. Off the
    top of my head there are:

    Marcel Lapierre
    Foillard
    Guy Breton
    Thevenet

    [These above are Kermit Lynch's "Gang of Four" from Morgon]

    Chermette/Dom. de Vissoux
    JP Brun/ Dom. de Terres Dorees
    Alain Coudert/Clos de Roilette
    Ch. Thivin
    George Descombes
    Diochon
    Desvignes
    Chignard

    Of recent vintages, the 2007s are lighter and charming (to my tastes),
    whereas the '06s are deeper and more serious and the '05s are highly
    structured (and often not too charming right now).

    Good luck, Bill, and let us know what you think when you open one.

    Mark Lipton



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  10. #10
    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: TN: Pink Beaujolais

    On May 15, 11:05�am, Mark Lipton <not...@eudrup.ude> wrote:
    > Bi!! wrote:
    > > I'll have to find a Lapierre or a Foillard Morgon. �Since I never
    > > cared for Gamay based wines, I really never spent much time looking
    > > but I'll give them a try.

    >
    > Bill,
    > � �I just picked those two producers randomly, but there are now
    > literally dozens of artisanal producers working in Beaujolais. �Off the
    > top of my head there are:
    >
    > Marcel Lapierre
    > Foillard
    > Guy Breton
    > Thevenet
    >
    > [These above are Kermit Lynch's "Gang of Four" from Morgon]
    >
    > Chermette/Dom. de Vissoux
    > JP Brun/ Dom. de Terres Dorees
    > Alain Coudert/Clos de Roilette
    > Ch. Thivin
    > George Descombes
    > Diochon
    > Desvignes
    > Chignard
    >
    > Of recent vintages, the 2007s are lighter and charming (to my tastes),
    > whereas the '06s are deeper and more serious and the '05s are highly
    > structured (and often not too charming right now).
    >
    > Good luck, Bill, and let us know what you think when you open one.
    >
    > Mark Lipton
    >
    > --
    > alt.food.wine FAQ: �http://winefaq.cwdjr.net


    Thanks for the info Mark. I've actually had the wines of Thivin, J P
    Brun, Chermette and Thevenet but it's been a while. When I was
    involved in the distributor we represented many of these wines. I
    generally did tastings and do recall the Chermette and Thevenet as
    being tasty for Gamay based wines. I'll call the warehouse and have
    them send me a mixed six pack and taste through them. Thanks again
    for the input.

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