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  1. #1
    DaleW Guest

    Default TN: Memorial Day wines (all $20 or under, even the '71 Domaine deChevalier)

    Memorial Day was about as perfect weatherwise as one could imagine-
    mid 70s, bright sunshine, light breeze, low humidity. And a fairly
    perfect crowd of friends (about 35 adults and 10 kids) joined us for a
    great party. Rather than make a huge amount of one thing, I had gotten
    several different "main courses," and grilled beef ribs, flank steak,
    salmon, shrimp, and hot dogs- others contributed venison sausage,
    venison chops, and a pork loin for the fire. Of course not just
    flesh- also grilled asparagus, squash, and Japanese eggplant (and
    Betsy made peanut sauce for the latter). I made mango salsa and Betsy
    made potato salad, others brought a cornucopia of salads, appetizers,
    and desserts. We were sated, and people lingered for hours after the
    official end time. With a big crowd mostly concentrated on QPR wines,
    and some friends also brought some:

    White
    2007 Drouhin St Veran
    Good acids, clean citrus fruit, very long finish for inexpensive
    Chardonnay. Some interesting hay and chalk notes. Glad I bought some
    ($12.50). B+

    2008 Clos Roche Blanche Touraine Sauvignon #2
    Bright and sassy, gooseberries with just a edge of grass, nice
    acidity, another winner from CRB. B+

    2004 Musar Blanc(Bekaa Valley)
    (this isn't the Ch. Musar, but what I think is basically the 3rd wine
    after the Chateau and Hochar). Ron thinks it's corked (it's in
    screwcap, but still possible), but I don't. I do think there is
    something a bit bacterial and a bit offputting going on. I'm not
    usually someone who finds a little brett a problem, but this isn't
    something I want to drink -sweaty socks. C-

    2008 Hofer Gruner Veltliner
    in the liter bottle. Light, easy, refreshing. B-

    2007 Jakob Schneider Riesling Kabinett (Nahe)
    also in liter. Peaches and a little cherry, light, fairly sweet, good.
    B

    2007 Paul Pernot Bourgogne Blanc
    Clean fresh apple/pear fruit, nice soil tones, straightforward and
    delicious. B/B+

    Pink
    2008 Domaine Rimbert Petit Cochon Bronzé
    Think this is just VdT, but Rimbert is in St Chinian I believe. Cute
    pig on label, I had meant to paste "swine flu vaccine" over the name,
    but ran out of time. Cherries and orange zest, good acids, fun little
    wine. B

    2007 Pigmentum Malbec Rose
    Didn't note area, Argentine? Bigger, a hint of sweetness, ok. B-/C+

    NV Latitude 50 Brut Rose (Rheingau)
    Pretty strawberry fruit, light, just a hint of sweetness, good length.
    B


    Red
    2005 Andrew's Vat "Alder Ridge" Syrah
    Quite ripe, light tannins, not very deep though weighty. B-/C+

    Lancatay Cabernet Sauvignon
    Didn't get vintage on this , Argentine. Sweet oak-chippy, not much
    spine, fruit forward, not appealing to me C+

    2007 Breton " Trinch!" Bourgueil
    Ah, more like it. Black cherries, a little herb and green tobacco,
    refreshing acidity, light tannins, easy to drink. B+

    2007 La Vieille Ferme
    Juicy, but with a bit of backbone. Uncomplicated and likeable. B-

    2007 Iche "Les Heretiques"
    Somehow this was gone before I ever got a taste!

    1971 Domaine de Chevalier (Graves)
    OK, have to open something at least a bit "serious." I love getting
    stuff cheap because of damp stained labels. Lots of bricking, black
    plums overlaid with leather and forest floor. Tannins fully resolved,
    but this is still quite alive and a saved portion holds up well for
    close to an hour in glass. Seamless, balanced, not a "look at me"wine
    but a fine example of classic mature Graves. A-

    2007 Brun (Terres Dorees) Cotes de Brouilly.
    Clean red fruits, a little espresso edge, nice Beaujolais. B/B+

    The hosts had fun, the guests had fun, the dogs had fun. Yippee.


    Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.*



  2. #2
    Lawrence Leichtman Guest

    Default Re: TN: Memorial Day wines (all $20 or under, even the '71 Domaine de Chevalier)

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    DaleW <Dw[email protected]> wrote:

    > Memorial Day was about as perfect weatherwise as one could imagine-
    > mid 70s, bright sunshine, light breeze, low humidity. And a fairly
    > perfect crowd of friends (about 35 adults and 10 kids) joined us for a
    > great party. Rather than make a huge amount of one thing, I had gotten
    > several different "main courses," and grilled beef ribs, flank steak,
    > salmon, shrimp, and hot dogs- others contributed venison sausage,
    > venison chops, and a pork loin for the fire. Of course not just
    > flesh- also grilled asparagus, squash, and Japanese eggplant (and
    > Betsy made peanut sauce for the latter). I made mango salsa and Betsy
    > made potato salad, others brought a cornucopia of salads, appetizers,
    > and desserts. We were sated, and people lingered for hours after the
    > official end time. With a big crowd mostly concentrated on QPR wines,
    > and some friends also brought some:
    >
    > White
    > 2007 Drouhin St Veran
    > Good acids, clean citrus fruit, very long finish for inexpensive
    > Chardonnay. Some interesting hay and chalk notes. Glad I bought some
    > ($12.50). B+
    >
    > 2008 Clos Roche Blanche Touraine Sauvignon #2
    > Bright and sassy, gooseberries with just a edge of grass, nice
    > acidity, another winner from CRB. B+
    >
    > 2004 Musar Blanc(Bekaa Valley)
    > (this isn't the Ch. Musar, but what I think is basically the 3rd wine
    > after the Chateau and Hochar). Ron thinks it's corked (it's in
    > screwcap, but still possible), but I don't. I do think there is
    > something a bit bacterial and a bit offputting going on. I'm not
    > usually someone who finds a little brett a problem, but this isn't
    > something I want to drink -sweaty socks. C-
    >
    > 2008 Hofer Gruner Veltliner
    > in the liter bottle. Light, easy, refreshing. B-
    >
    > 2007 Jakob Schneider Riesling Kabinett (Nahe)
    > also in liter. Peaches and a little cherry, light, fairly sweet, good.
    > B
    >
    > 2007 Paul Pernot Bourgogne Blanc
    > Clean fresh apple/pear fruit, nice soil tones, straightforward and
    > delicious. B/B+
    >
    > Pink
    > 2008 Domaine Rimbert Petit Cochon Bronzé
    > Think this is just VdT, but Rimbert is in St Chinian I believe. Cute
    > pig on label, I had meant to paste "swine flu vaccine" over the name,
    > but ran out of time. Cherries and orange zest, good acids, fun little
    > wine. B
    >
    > 2007 Pigmentum Malbec Rose
    > Didn't note area, Argentine? Bigger, a hint of sweetness, ok. B-/C+
    >
    > NV Latitude 50 Brut Rose (Rheingau)
    > Pretty strawberry fruit, light, just a hint of sweetness, good length.
    > B
    >
    >
    > Red
    > 2005 Andrew's Vat "Alder Ridge" Syrah
    > Quite ripe, light tannins, not very deep though weighty. B-/C+
    >
    > Lancatay Cabernet Sauvignon
    > Didn't get vintage on this , Argentine. Sweet oak-chippy, not much
    > spine, fruit forward, not appealing to me C+
    >
    > 2007 Breton " Trinch!" Bourgueil
    > Ah, more like it. Black cherries, a little herb and green tobacco,
    > refreshing acidity, light tannins, easy to drink. B+
    >
    > 2007 La Vieille Ferme
    > Juicy, but with a bit of backbone. Uncomplicated and likeable. B-
    >
    > 2007 Iche "Les Heretiques"
    > Somehow this was gone before I ever got a taste!
    >
    > 1971 Domaine de Chevalier (Graves)
    > OK, have to open something at least a bit "serious." I love getting
    > stuff cheap because of damp stained labels. Lots of bricking, black
    > plums overlaid with leather and forest floor. Tannins fully resolved,
    > but this is still quite alive and a saved portion holds up well for
    > close to an hour in glass. Seamless, balanced, not a "look at me"wine
    > but a fine example of classic mature Graves. A-
    >
    > 2007 Brun (Terres Dorees) Cotes de Brouilly.
    > Clean red fruits, a little espresso edge, nice Beaujolais. B/B+
    >
    > The hosts had fun, the guests had fun, the dogs had fun. Yippee.
    >
    >
    > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.*


    Sounds like a great time. We barbecued ribs and drank the last of
    classic Ravenswood Dickerson Vineyard 2002 Zindfandel. Lots of peppery
    spice and fully resolved tannins. Really drinking nicely now. Too bad
    they no longer make this style of wine.

  3. #3
    DaleW Guest

    Default Re: TN: Memorial Day wines (all $20 or under, even the '71 Domaine deChevalier)

    On May 26, 1:55*pm, Lawrence Leichtman <la...@lleichtman.org> wrote:
    > In article
    > <4bf000aa-6571-4df8-8098-aa1b0b29c...@n19g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
    >
    >
    >
    > *DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > > Memorial Day was about as perfect weatherwise as one could imagine-
    > > mid 70s, bright sunshine, light breeze, low humidity. And a fairly
    > > perfect crowd of friends (about 35 adults and 10 kids) joined us for a
    > > great party. Rather than make a huge amount of one thing, I had gotten
    > > several different "main courses," and grilled beef ribs, flank steak,
    > > salmon, shrimp, and hot dogs- *others contributed venison sausage,
    > > venison chops, and a pork loin for the fire. *Of course not just
    > > flesh- also grilled asparagus, squash, and Japanese eggplant (and
    > > Betsy made peanut sauce for the latter). I made mango salsa and Betsy
    > > made potato salad, others brought a cornucopia of salads, appetizers,
    > > and desserts. We were sated, and people lingered for hours after the
    > > official end time. With a big crowd mostly concentrated on QPR wines,
    > > and some friends also brought some:

    >
    > > White
    > > 2007 Drouhin St Veran
    > > Good acids, clean citrus fruit, very long finish for inexpensive
    > > Chardonnay. Some interesting hay and chalk notes. Glad I bought some
    > > ($12.50). B+

    >
    > > 2008 Clos Roche Blanche Touraine Sauvignon *#2
    > > Bright and sassy, gooseberries with just a edge of grass, nice
    > > acidity, another winner from CRB. B+

    >
    > > 2004 Musar Blanc(Bekaa Valley)
    > > (this isn't the Ch. Musar, but what I think is basically the 3rd wine
    > > after the Chateau and Hochar). Ron thinks it's corked (it's in
    > > screwcap, but still possible), but I don't. I do think there is
    > > something a bit bacterial and a bit offputting going on. I'm not
    > > usually someone who finds a little brett a problem, but this isn't
    > > something I want to drink -sweaty socks. C-

    >
    > > 2008 Hofer Gruner Veltliner
    > > in the liter bottle. Light, easy, refreshing. B-

    >
    > > 2007 *Jakob Schneider Riesling Kabinett (Nahe)
    > > also in liter. Peaches and a little cherry, light, fairly sweet, good.
    > > B

    >
    > > 2007 Paul Pernot Bourgogne Blanc
    > > Clean fresh apple/pear fruit, nice soil tones, straightforward and
    > > delicious. B/B+

    >
    > > Pink
    > > 2008 Domaine Rimbert *Petit Cochon Bronzé
    > > Think this is just VdT, but Rimbert is in St Chinian I believe. Cute
    > > pig on label, I had meant to paste "swine flu vaccine" over the name,
    > > but ran out of time. Cherries and orange zest, good acids, fun little
    > > wine. B

    >
    > > 2007 Pigmentum Malbec Rose
    > > Didn't note area, Argentine? Bigger, a hint of sweetness, ok. B-/C+

    >
    > > NV Latitude 50 Brut Rose (Rheingau)
    > > Pretty strawberry fruit, light, just a hint of sweetness, good length.
    > > B

    >
    > > Red
    > > 2005 Andrew's Vat "Alder Ridge" Syrah
    > > Quite ripe, light tannins, not very deep though weighty. B-/C+

    >
    > > Lancatay Cabernet Sauvignon
    > > Didn't get vintage on this , Argentine. Sweet oak-chippy, not much
    > > spine, fruit forward, not appealing to me C+

    >
    > > 2007 Breton " Trinch!" Bourgueil
    > > Ah, more like it. Black cherries, a little herb and green tobacco,
    > > refreshing acidity, light tannins, easy to drink. B+

    >
    > > 2007 La Vieille Ferme
    > > Juicy, but with a bit of backbone. Uncomplicated and likeable. B-

    >
    > > 2007 Iche "Les Heretiques"
    > > Somehow this was gone before I ever got a taste!

    >
    > > 1971 Domaine de Chevalier (Graves)
    > > OK, have to open something at least a bit "serious." I love getting
    > > stuff cheap because of damp stained labels. Lots of bricking, black
    > > plums overlaid with leather and forest floor. Tannins fully resolved,
    > > but this is still quite alive and a saved portion holds up well for
    > > close to an hour in glass. Seamless, balanced, not a "look at me"wine
    > > but a fine example of classic mature Graves. A-

    >
    > > 2007 Brun (Terres Dorees) Cotes de Brouilly.
    > > Clean red fruits, a little espresso edge, nice Beaujolais. B/B+

    >
    > > The hosts had fun, the guests had fun, the dogs had fun. Yippee.

    >
    > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.*

    >
    > Sounds like a great time. We barbecued ribs and drank the last of
    > classic Ravenswood Dickerson Vineyard 2002 Zindfandel. Lots of peppery
    > spice and fully resolved tannins. Really drinking nicely now. Too bad
    > they no longer make this style of wine.


    Ribs and zin is ok with me!
    Haven't had any Ravenswood in a while- what has changed?


    Betsy was playing last night (Alceste at Rose Hall with Deborah Voigt)
    so I had leftovers from party, with leftover wine.
    The Pernot Bourgogne showed quite well, fuller, more Pulignyesque than
    simple AC
    The CRB also was still bright, though riper than I remember from day
    before.
    The Musar still had that unpleasant musky (not musty) note. Not
    textbook brett, but there are many strains of brett, or it could be
    some other bacteria.
    The Brun CdBrlly was rounder, more like a Bourgogne, but still good.
    I didn't like the Schneider as much, seemed flat.

  4. #4
    Lawrence Leichtman Guest

    Default Re: TN: Memorial Day wines (all $20 or under, even the '71 Domaine de Chevalier)

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    DaleW <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On May 26, 1:55*pm, Lawrence Leichtman <la...@lleichtman.org> wrote:
    > > In article
    > > <4bf000aa-6571-4df8-8098-aa1b0b29c...@n19g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > *DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > > > Memorial Day was about as perfect weatherwise as one could imagine-
    > > > mid 70s, bright sunshine, light breeze, low humidity. And a fairly
    > > > perfect crowd of friends (about 35 adults and 10 kids) joined us for a
    > > > great party. Rather than make a huge amount of one thing, I had gotten
    > > > several different "main courses," and grilled beef ribs, flank steak,
    > > > salmon, shrimp, and hot dogs- *others contributed venison sausage,
    > > > venison chops, and a pork loin for the fire. *Of course not just
    > > > flesh- also grilled asparagus, squash, and Japanese eggplant (and
    > > > Betsy made peanut sauce for the latter). I made mango salsa and Betsy
    > > > made potato salad, others brought a cornucopia of salads, appetizers,
    > > > and desserts. We were sated, and people lingered for hours after the
    > > > official end time. With a big crowd mostly concentrated on QPR wines,
    > > > and some friends also brought some:

    > >
    > > > White
    > > > 2007 Drouhin St Veran
    > > > Good acids, clean citrus fruit, very long finish for inexpensive
    > > > Chardonnay. Some interesting hay and chalk notes. Glad I bought some
    > > > ($12.50). B+

    > >
    > > > 2008 Clos Roche Blanche Touraine Sauvignon *#2
    > > > Bright and sassy, gooseberries with just a edge of grass, nice
    > > > acidity, another winner from CRB. B+

    > >
    > > > 2004 Musar Blanc(Bekaa Valley)
    > > > (this isn't the Ch. Musar, but what I think is basically the 3rd wine
    > > > after the Chateau and Hochar). Ron thinks it's corked (it's in
    > > > screwcap, but still possible), but I don't. I do think there is
    > > > something a bit bacterial and a bit offputting going on. I'm not
    > > > usually someone who finds a little brett a problem, but this isn't
    > > > something I want to drink -sweaty socks. C-

    > >
    > > > 2008 Hofer Gruner Veltliner
    > > > in the liter bottle. Light, easy, refreshing. B-

    > >
    > > > 2007 *Jakob Schneider Riesling Kabinett (Nahe)
    > > > also in liter. Peaches and a little cherry, light, fairly sweet, good.
    > > > B

    > >
    > > > 2007 Paul Pernot Bourgogne Blanc
    > > > Clean fresh apple/pear fruit, nice soil tones, straightforward and
    > > > delicious. B/B+

    > >
    > > > Pink
    > > > 2008 Domaine Rimbert *Petit Cochon Bronzé
    > > > Think this is just VdT, but Rimbert is in St Chinian I believe. Cute
    > > > pig on label, I had meant to paste "swine flu vaccine" over the name,
    > > > but ran out of time. Cherries and orange zest, good acids, fun little
    > > > wine. B

    > >
    > > > 2007 Pigmentum Malbec Rose
    > > > Didn't note area, Argentine? Bigger, a hint of sweetness, ok. B-/C+

    > >
    > > > NV Latitude 50 Brut Rose (Rheingau)
    > > > Pretty strawberry fruit, light, just a hint of sweetness, good length.
    > > > B

    > >
    > > > Red
    > > > 2005 Andrew's Vat "Alder Ridge" Syrah
    > > > Quite ripe, light tannins, not very deep though weighty. B-/C+

    > >
    > > > Lancatay Cabernet Sauvignon
    > > > Didn't get vintage on this , Argentine. Sweet oak-chippy, not much
    > > > spine, fruit forward, not appealing to me C+

    > >
    > > > 2007 Breton " Trinch!" Bourgueil
    > > > Ah, more like it. Black cherries, a little herb and green tobacco,
    > > > refreshing acidity, light tannins, easy to drink. B+

    > >
    > > > 2007 La Vieille Ferme
    > > > Juicy, but with a bit of backbone. Uncomplicated and likeable. B-

    > >
    > > > 2007 Iche "Les Heretiques"
    > > > Somehow this was gone before I ever got a taste!

    > >
    > > > 1971 Domaine de Chevalier (Graves)
    > > > OK, have to open something at least a bit "serious." I love getting
    > > > stuff cheap because of damp stained labels. Lots of bricking, black
    > > > plums overlaid with leather and forest floor. Tannins fully resolved,
    > > > but this is still quite alive and a saved portion holds up well for
    > > > close to an hour in glass. Seamless, balanced, not a "look at me"wine
    > > > but a fine example of classic mature Graves. A-

    > >
    > > > 2007 Brun (Terres Dorees) Cotes de Brouilly.
    > > > Clean red fruits, a little espresso edge, nice Beaujolais. B/B+

    > >
    > > > The hosts had fun, the guests had fun, the dogs had fun. Yippee.

    > >
    > > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > > > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > > > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > > > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.*

    > >
    > > Sounds like a great time. We barbecued ribs and drank the last of
    > > classic Ravenswood Dickerson Vineyard 2002 Zindfandel. Lots of peppery
    > > spice and fully resolved tannins. Really drinking nicely now. Too bad
    > > they no longer make this style of wine.

    >
    > Ribs and zin is ok with me!
    > Haven't had any Ravenswood in a while- what has changed?
    >
    >
    > Betsy was playing last night (Alceste at Rose Hall with Deborah Voigt)
    > so I had leftovers from party, with leftover wine.
    > The Pernot Bourgogne showed quite well, fuller, more Pulignyesque than
    > simple AC
    > The CRB also was still bright, though riper than I remember from day
    > before.
    > The Musar still had that unpleasant musky (not musty) note. Not
    > textbook brett, but there are many strains of brett, or it could be
    > some other bacteria.
    > The Brun CdBrlly was rounder, more like a Bourgogne, but still good.
    > I didn't like the Schneider as much, seemed flat.


    When they were bought out, the single vineyard wines were sacrificed to
    the blends as that is what makes money. I have had bottles pre and post
    buyout and there is a major quality difference. Pre wines used to be big
    and bold needing time to mellow out. Now they drink soft almost flabby
    from the outset. Found this with my two favorites Dickerson and Belloni.

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