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  1. #1
    DaleW Guest

    Default TN: couple '88s, plus ESJ, Guion, Savary

    Betsy made a summer version of the old Le Cirque pasta primavera
    Monday, served with the 2008 Edmunds St John "Bone Jolly" Gamay rose.
    A variety of red fleshed fruits- cherries, strawberries, watermelon-
    but more centered on some mineral and herb notes. Refreshing, no signs
    of reduction in my bottle, clean. B+
    *
    Yesterday was Dave's 22nd, and we had his girlfriend, another couple
    of his friends, his aunt, and his cousins over for dinner. She tried
    to make some of David's favorite foods while paying attention to
    other's eating habits. As people arrived, we had out a simple platter
    with soppresata, hummus, cheese, etc. Just before we sat down I
    planned on a quick toast, with some cava I had sent to NH with Betsy
    that wasn't used. Except when I opened something red came out-
    apparently when I made her concert week goodie box I had mistaken a
    Lambrusco for a Cava with a similar dark label. Too bad I didn't have
    out with the soppresata! NV Venturini Baldini "Roncolo"*Lambrusco. Off-
    dry, pretty froth, blackberry jam and red plum. Simple and easy. B/B-

    First course was lobster rolls, with the 2008 Savary "Fourchaume"
    Chablis 1er Cru. Nice hefty Chablis, apples, lemon, and chalk, classic
    and appealing. B+

    Main course was a stroganoff salad, basically a room temp version of
    beef stroganoff (but Betsy made a large bowl to which she didn't add
    the grilled skirt steak as we had 4 non beef eaters) along with an
    absolutely smashing vegetable torta (squash, eggplant, asiago, tomato,
    etc) and
    salad.

    1988 Ch. Hortevie (St Julien)
    I had a backup (R-Segla), but this was surprisingly dark and fresh
    looking as decanted. I was worried it would show it's age, but it had
    handled 22 years well. The issue was not age but just complexity- this
    was quite foursquare and lacking charm. Good dark cassis fruit, still
    some tannins, but rather short and lacking in the development would
    would want from mature St. Julien. If you served blind and told me a
    6-10 year old Bordeaux AC would have seemed reasonable. C+/B-

    2008 Guion "Cuvee Domaine"
    A nice sloppy kiss of a wine, fruit forward and easy going, fresh red
    fruits, good acidity, earthy with air. B/B+

    Betsy's sister brought a carrot cake, and we also enjoyed the
    1988 Jos. Christoffel Jr. Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese*.
    Applesauce, peach, herbs (one young lady thought it was distinctly
    dill, I was getting a greener toned herb more tarragonish), petrol,
    light hints of botrytis. Nice pleasant wine, but I'd have appreciated
    a bit more acidity (the few '88s I've had before had good zip) and a
    little more minerality or complexity to finish. Still, holding well
    and no sign of downturn. B

    Not a standout night for wine, but nice to share the time with Dave
    and family and friends who love him.

    Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.*

  2. #2
    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: TN: couple '88s, plus ESJ, Guion, Savary

    On Aug 18, 9:26*am, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > Betsy made a summer version of the old Le Cirque pasta primavera
    > Monday, served with the 2008 Edmunds St John "Bone Jolly" Gamay rose.
    > A variety of red fleshed fruits- cherries, strawberries, watermelon-
    > but more centered on some mineral and herb notes. Refreshing, no signs
    > of reduction in my bottle, clean. B+
    > *
    > Yesterday was Dave's 22nd, and we had his girlfriend, another couple
    > of his friends, his aunt, and his cousins over for dinner. She tried
    > to make some of David's favorite foods while paying attention to
    > other's eating habits. As people arrived, we had out a simple *platter
    > with soppresata, hummus, cheese, etc. Just before we sat down I
    > planned on *a quick toast, with some cava I had sent to NH with Betsy
    > that wasn't used. Except when I opened something red came out-
    > apparently when I made her concert week goodie box I had mistaken a
    > Lambrusco for a Cava with a similar dark label. Too bad I didn't have
    > out with the soppresata! NV Venturini Baldini "Roncolo"*Lambrusco. Off-
    > dry, pretty froth, blackberry jam and red plum. Simple and easy. B/B-
    >
    > First course was lobster rolls, with the 2008 Savary "Fourchaume"
    > Chablis 1er Cru. Nice hefty Chablis, apples, lemon, and chalk, classic
    > and appealing. B+
    >
    > Main course was a stroganoff salad, basically a room temp version of
    > beef stroganoff (but Betsy made a large bowl to which she didn't add
    > the grilled skirt steak as we had 4 non beef eaters) along with an
    > absolutely smashing vegetable torta (squash, eggplant, asiago, tomato,
    > etc) and
    > salad.
    >
    > 1988 Ch. Hortevie (St Julien)
    > I had a backup (R-Segla), but this was surprisingly dark and fresh
    > looking as decanted. I was worried it would show it's age, but it had
    > handled 22 years well. The issue was not age but just complexity- this
    > was quite foursquare and lacking charm. Good dark cassis fruit, still
    > some tannins, but rather short and lacking in the development would
    > would want from mature St. Julien. If you served blind and told me a
    > 6-10 year old Bordeaux AC would have seemed reasonable. C+/B-
    >
    > 2008 Guion "Cuvee Domaine"
    > A nice sloppy kiss of a wine, fruit forward and easy going, fresh red
    > fruits, good acidity, earthy with air. B/B+
    >
    > Betsy's sister brought a carrot cake, and we also enjoyed the
    > 1988 Jos. Christoffel Jr. *Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese*.
    > Applesauce, peach, herbs (one young lady thought it was distinctly
    > dill, I was getting a greener toned herb more tarragonish), petrol,
    > light hints of botrytis. Nice pleasant wine, but I'd have appreciated
    > a bit more acidity (the few '88s I've had before had good zip) and a
    > little more minerality or complexity to finish. Still, holding well
    > and no sign of downturn. B
    >
    > Not a standout night for wine, but nice to share the time with Dave
    > and family and friends who love him.
    >
    > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.*


    Dale, What is your overall impression of 2008 white burgs and Chablis
    in particular. I haven't tasted many so far and I have the
    opportunity to buy some Fevre and Brocard at good prices. I also have
    a good "in" for 2008 O. Leflaive, Louis Latour, Matrot and Morey-
    Coffinet but hesitate buying without tasting or opinions.

  3. #3
    DaleW Guest

    Default Re: TN: couple '88s, plus ESJ, Guion, Savary

    On Aug 18, 10:18*am, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
    > On Aug 18, 9:26*am, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > Betsy made a summer version of the old Le Cirque pasta primavera
    > > Monday, served with the 2008 Edmunds St John "Bone Jolly" Gamay rose.
    > > A variety of red fleshed fruits- cherries, strawberries, watermelon-
    > > but more centered on some mineral and herb notes. Refreshing, no signs
    > > of reduction in my bottle, clean. B+
    > > *
    > > Yesterday was Dave's 22nd, and we had his girlfriend, another couple
    > > of his friends, his aunt, and his cousins over for dinner. She tried
    > > to make some of David's favorite foods while paying attention to
    > > other's eating habits. As people arrived, we had out a simple *platter
    > > with soppresata, hummus, cheese, etc. Just before we sat down I
    > > planned on *a quick toast, with some cava I had sent to NH with Betsy
    > > that wasn't used. Except when I opened something red came out-
    > > apparently when I made her concert week goodie box I had mistaken a
    > > Lambrusco for a Cava with a similar dark label. Too bad I didn't have
    > > out with the soppresata! NV Venturini Baldini "Roncolo"*Lambrusco. Off-
    > > dry, pretty froth, blackberry jam and red plum. Simple and easy. B/B-

    >
    > > First course was lobster rolls, with the 2008 Savary "Fourchaume"
    > > Chablis 1er Cru. Nice hefty Chablis, apples, lemon, and chalk, classic
    > > and appealing. B+

    >
    > > Main course was a stroganoff salad, basically a room temp version of
    > > beef stroganoff (but Betsy made a large bowl to which she didn't add
    > > the grilled skirt steak as we had 4 non beef eaters) along with an
    > > absolutely smashing vegetable torta (squash, eggplant, asiago, tomato,
    > > etc) and
    > > salad.

    >
    > > 1988 Ch. Hortevie (St Julien)
    > > I had a backup (R-Segla), but this was surprisingly dark and fresh
    > > looking as decanted. I was worried it would show it's age, but it had
    > > handled 22 years well. The issue was not age but just complexity- this
    > > was quite foursquare and lacking charm. Good dark cassis fruit, still
    > > some tannins, but rather short and lacking in the development would
    > > would want from mature St. Julien. If you served blind and told me a
    > > 6-10 year old Bordeaux AC would have seemed reasonable. C+/B-

    >
    > > 2008 Guion "Cuvee Domaine"
    > > A nice sloppy kiss of a wine, fruit forward and easy going, fresh red
    > > fruits, good acidity, earthy with air. B/B+

    >
    > > Betsy's sister brought a carrot cake, and we also enjoyed the
    > > 1988 Jos. Christoffel Jr. *Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese*.
    > > Applesauce, peach, herbs (one young lady thought it was distinctly
    > > dill, I was getting a greener toned herb more tarragonish), petrol,
    > > light hints of botrytis. Nice pleasant wine, but I'd have appreciated
    > > a bit more acidity (the few '88s I've had before had good zip) and a
    > > little more minerality or complexity to finish. Still, holding well
    > > and no sign of downturn. B

    >
    > > Not a standout night for wine, but nice to share the time with Dave
    > > and family and friends who love him.

    >
    > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.*

    >
    > Dale, What is your overall impression of 2008 white burgs and Chablis
    > in particular. *I haven't tasted many so far and I have the
    > opportunity to buy some Fevre and Brocard at good prices. *I also have
    > a good "in" for 2008 O. Leflaive, Louis Latour, Matrot and Morey-
    > Coffinet but hesitate buying without tasting or opinions.


    I've has very few, but general opinions that I respect seem to see
    2008 as very good for white Burg, and especially Chablis.There were
    some rot/odium issues in Cote d'Or, generally turned out ok, but there
    was no rot in Chablis.

  4. #4
    Ken Blake Guest

    Default Re: TN: couple '88s, plus ESJ, Guion, Savary

    On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 06:26:49 -0700 (PDT), DaleW <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > I
    > planned on a quick toast, with some cava I had sent to NH with Betsy
    > that wasn't used. Except when I opened something red came out-
    > apparently when I made her concert week goodie box I had mistaken a
    > Lambrusco for a Cava with a similar dark label.



    LOL! The same thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago. I opened
    what I thought was a NZ Sauvignon Blanc, only to find that it was a
    Pinot Noir by the same winery. The bottle was dark glass, and the two
    were very hard to tell apart without reading the label more slowly
    than I did.


    --
    Ken Blake

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    DaleW Guest

    Default Re: TN: couple '88s, plus ESJ, Guion, Savary

    On Aug 18, 11:37*am, Ken Blake <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain>
    wrote:
    > On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 06:26:49 -0700 (PDT), DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > I
    > > planned on *a quick toast, with some cava I had sent to NH with Betsy
    > > that wasn't used. Except when I opened something red came out-
    > > apparently when I made her concert week goodie box I had mistaken a
    > > Lambrusco for a Cava with a similar dark label.

    >
    > LOL! The same thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago. I opened
    > what I thought was a NZ Sauvignon Blanc, only to find that it was a
    > Pinot Noir by the same winery. The bottle was dark glass, and the two
    > were very hard to tell apart without reading the label more slowly
    > than I did.
    >
    > --
    > Ken Blake


    Somewhere way back in the archives is a note where I was very
    impressed with a basic Bourgogne- quite structured.. And then there's
    the post the following day when I realized I had actually opened a NSG
    1er. I had spotted maker's label (99% sure it was Chevillon), thought
    I only had Bourgogne in that stack, took upstairs, opened, drank,
    wrote note. Next day I went to see how it held up overnight and
    discovered my mistake.

    BTW, the ESJ rose was an 09, my typo

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