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  1. #1
    DaleW Guest

    Default TN: 1996 Bordeaux downtown

    Matt organized a look at how the 1996 Bordeaux were doing at Harry's
    in Hanover Square last night. It was actually specified, but we ended
    up with all Medoc and Graves, showing where everyone agrees the
    strength is.

    We had a little semi-private room, good service, and good food (too
    much of it). When I arrived there was a starter going round, a 2005
    Boxler Riesling. This is apparently a base model, with no little lot
    number to search out. Apple and a little apricot, hint of diesel, just
    a tad off dry, B/B-

    Then followed a bottle of 2007 Chidaine "Clos Habert" Montlouis. Sec-
    tendre, fullbodied (someone called it light, I didn't think so), apple
    with some light wooly Chenin notes. B+

    On to the reds, in 4 flights, non-blind. I think most people had aimed
    for doubledecanting in the AM.

    Flight One- a bit of everything

    1996 Ch. Lagrange (St Julien)
    I was surprised how open this showed when decanted, it closed up a bit
    by time it made to city, but still was drinking ok. There's still some
    primary fruit and oak notes, but the tannins are integrating, and I
    think this isn't that far from ready. Nice acids, some earth notes. B
    +

    1996 Ch. Sociando Mallet
    Tight and showing nothing but herbal notes at first, opened up, this
    really needs time, but a very good wine. B/B+

    1996 Ch. Malescot St. Exupery
    The most open wine of the flight (and the night). Midbodied, perfumed,
    quite Margauxy, some forest floor. I thought it a bit short, but it
    was quite popular. B

    There was a lobster, mushroom and butter bean salad, I personally
    retreated to a white.
    As we went to next flight, we had Surf & turf (sea scallop atop short
    rib)

    Flight Two- Leovilles

    1996 Ch. Leoville Poyferre
    Tight, and I kept thinking I got a whiff of TCA. So did a couple
    others, but none of us found it consistently, and others all disagree.
    A bit burly. No rating, I'm still not convinced this was a sound
    bottle.

    1996 Ch. Leoville Barton
    Most open of flight, but that's not saying much. But I really liked
    what I sensed underneath - big but rounded tannins, good cassis fruit,
    stern but with character. B+

    1996 Ch. Leoville Las Cases
    Tight, big but I just couldn't get any real sense of the wine, though
    some loved. I'll give it a (probably unfair) B/B-

    Flight Three- Pauillacs (with ricotta gnocchi with lamb ragout)
    1996 Ch. Pichon Baron
    Now, this is more like it. It had showed little at decanting compared
    to Lagrange, it was really opening up. Blackcurrants, earth, tobacco.
    Tannins seem fine/supple, and there's a nice lively acidity. Big,
    needs time but really lovely. A-

    1996 Ch. Pichon Lalande
    This is quite different but equally lovely when it opens up. Medium
    bodied but with a feeling of power, mint/menthol under a solid base of
    dark fruit. A-

    1996 Ch. Grand Puy Lacoste
    Weird wine of the night. I took my first sniff as someone at other end
    said the words "popcorn butter" and I immediately knew they were
    referring to this wine. It smelled like it had been decanted into a
    (used) container from National Amusements theater. I remember liking
    this wine in the past, but I couldn't get past this, C+

    Finally savory course was bone in filet, polenta sticks & creamed
    spinach
    Flight Four- big boys from all over
    1996 Ch. Montrose
    Stern, monolithic, probably something great underneath. B

    1996 Ch. La Mission Haut Brion
    Wow, this showed well. Classic, tobacco and leather under powerful
    dark fruit, elegant and balanced. My WOTN by a hair. A-

    1996 Ch. Ducru Beaucaillou
    young and totally primary, but this is going to be really nice. A-/B+

    We finished with 1971 Ch. Rayne Vigneau (with triple chocolate mousse
    cake for those that could). Apricots, orange zest, honey, still plenty
    of life here. B+

    Thanks to Matt for organizing, Ben for arranging restaurant, and
    everyone for time and wines. I think as we expected in most cases the
    best is yet to come for these wines, but with the one exception (and I
    can't believe that's how GPL regularly shows) I'd be happy to own any
    of these.

    Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

  2. #2
    santiago Guest

    Default Re: TN: 1996 Bordeaux downtown

    >
    > 1996 Ch. Leoville Poyferre
    > Tight, and I kept thinking I got a whiff of TCA. So did a couple
    > others, but none of us found it consistently, and others all disagree.
    > A bit burly. No rating, I'm still not convinced this was a sound
    > bottle.



    Had a bottle of Leoville Poyferre 1996 from impeccable provenance one month
    ago and it was an excellent bottle of wine. A solid A in my book.

    That same night we had Torres Más La Plana 1982, which was as fresh as the
    Poyferre and Beaulieu Vineyards Rutherford 1982 which was also very nice.



  3. #3
    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: TN: 1996 Bordeaux downtown

    On Mar 1, 9:53*am, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
    > Matt organized a look at how the 1996 Bordeaux *were doing at Harry's
    > in Hanover Square last night. It was actually specified, but we ended
    > up with all Medoc and Graves, showing where everyone agrees the
    > strength is.
    >
    > We had a little semi-private room, good service, and good food (too
    > much of it). When I arrived there was a starter going round, a 2005
    > Boxler Riesling. This is apparently a base model, with no little lot
    > number to search out. Apple and a little apricot, hint of diesel, just
    > a tad off dry, B/B-
    >
    > Then followed a bottle of 2007 Chidaine "Clos Habert" Montlouis. Sec-
    > tendre, fullbodied (someone called it light, I didn't think so), apple
    > with some light wooly Chenin notes. B+
    >
    > On to the reds, in 4 flights, non-blind. I think most people had aimed
    > for doubledecanting in the AM.
    >
    > Flight One- a bit of everything
    >
    > 1996 Ch. Lagrange (St Julien)
    > I was surprised how open this showed when decanted, it closed up a bit
    > by time it made to city, but still was drinking ok. There's still some
    > primary fruit and oak notes, but the tannins are integrating, and I
    > think this isn't that far from ready. Nice acids, some earth notes. *B
    > +
    >
    > 1996 Ch. Sociando Mallet
    > Tight and showing nothing but herbal notes at first, opened up, this
    > really needs time, but a very good wine. B/B+
    >
    > 1996 Ch. Malescot St. Exupery
    > The most open wine of the flight (and the night). Midbodied, perfumed,
    > quite Margauxy, some forest floor. I thought it a bit short, but it
    > was quite popular. B
    >
    > There was a lobster, mushroom and butter bean salad, I personally
    > retreated to a white.
    > As we went to next flight, we had Surf & turf (sea scallop atop short
    > rib)
    >
    > Flight Two- Leovilles
    >
    > 1996 Ch. Leoville Poyferre
    > Tight, and I kept thinking I got a whiff of TCA. So did a couple
    > others, but none of us found it consistently, and others all disagree.
    > A bit burly. No rating, I'm still not convinced this was a sound
    > bottle.
    >
    > 1996 Ch. Leoville Barton
    > Most open of flight, but that's not saying much. But I really liked
    > what I sensed underneath - big but rounded tannins, good cassis fruit,
    > stern but with character. B+
    >
    > 1996 Ch. Leoville Las Cases
    > Tight, big but I just couldn't get any real sense of the wine, though
    > some loved. I'll give it a (probably unfair) B/B-
    >
    > Flight Three- Pauillacs (with ricotta gnocchi with lamb ragout)
    > 1996 Ch. Pichon Baron
    > Now, this is more like it. It had showed little at decanting compared
    > to Lagrange, it was really opening up. Blackcurrants, earth, tobacco.
    > Tannins seem fine/supple, and there's a nice lively acidity. Big,
    > needs time but really lovely. A-
    >
    > 1996 Ch. Pichon Lalande
    > This is quite different but equally lovely when it opens up. Medium
    > bodied but with a feeling of power, mint/menthol under a solid base of
    > dark fruit. A-
    >
    > 1996 Ch. Grand Puy Lacoste
    > Weird wine of the night. I took my first sniff as someone at other end
    > said the words "popcorn butter" and I immediately knew they were
    > referring to this wine. It smelled like it had been decanted into a
    > (used) container from National Amusements theater. I remember liking
    > this wine in the past, but I couldn't get past this, C+
    >
    > Finally savory course was bone in filet, polenta sticks & creamed
    > spinach
    > Flight Four- big boys from all over
    > 1996 Ch. Montrose
    > Stern, monolithic, probably something great underneath. B
    >
    > 1996 Ch. La Mission Haut Brion
    > Wow, this showed well. Classic, tobacco and leather under powerful
    > dark fruit, elegant and balanced. My WOTN by a hair. A-
    >
    > 1996 Ch. Ducru Beaucaillou
    > young and totally primary, but this is going to be really nice. A-/B+
    >
    > *We finished with 1971 Ch. Rayne Vigneau (with triple chocolate mousse
    > cake for those that could). Apricots, orange zest, honey, still plenty
    > of life here. B+
    >
    > *Thanks to Matt for organizing, Ben for arranging restaurant, and
    > everyone for time and wines. I think as we expected in most cases the
    > best is yet to come for these wines, but with the one exception (and I
    > can't believe that's how GPL regularly shows) I'd be happy to own any
    > of these.
    >
    > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
    > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
    > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
    > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.



  4. #4
    lleichtman Guest

    Default Re: TN: 1996 Bordeaux downtown

    On Mar 1, 5:30*pm, santiago <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
    > > 1996 Ch. Leoville Poyferre
    > > Tight, and I kept thinking I got a whiff of TCA. So did a couple
    > > others, but none of us found it consistently, and others all disagree.
    > > A bit burly. No rating, I'm still not convinced this was a sound
    > > bottle.

    >
    > Had a bottle of Leoville Poyferre 1996 from impeccable provenance one month
    > ago and it was an excellent bottle of wine. A solid A in my book.
    >
    > That same night we had Torres M s La Plana 1982, which was as fresh as the
    > Poyferre and Beaulieu Vineyards Rutherford 1982 which was also very nice.


    Decided to open one of my bottles with concerns the 1996's may have
    suffered from bad corks. Nope, great opening nose of pencils and cedar
    with some dark fruit and coffee. Really nice wine after an hour of
    opening. Give it an A- for me.
    Dale's bottle must have been corked.

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