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    Dee Randall Guest

    Default Robert Parker and California wines

    Is it just me, or has anybody noticed that Robert Parker has been giving
    lately more California wines a 90+ rating?

    Dee Dee



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    Richard Neidich Guest

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    Could it be California wines are getting better?


    "Dee Randall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Is it just me, or has anybody noticed that Robert Parker has been giving
    > lately more California wines a 90+ rating?
    >
    > Dee Dee
    >




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    Bi!! Guest

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    On Nov 7, 7:06�am, "Richard Neidich" <rneid...@earthlink.net> wrote:
    > Could it be California wines are getting better?
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    > "Dee Randall" <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote in message
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    > news:gevj6n$3rp$[email protected]..
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    > > Is it just me, or has anybody noticed that Robert Parker has been giving
    > > lately more California wines a 90+ rating?

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    I don't know about better but certainly more expensive!

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    Mark Lipton Guest

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    Dee Randall wrote:
    > Is it just me, or has anybody noticed that Robert Parker has been giving
    > lately more California wines a 90+ rating?


    Dee,
    Here's my perception of the change: back in the early '90s, Parker,
    who'd long criticized California wines as lacking in depth and
    character, started praising a "qualitative revolution" in California and
    singling out certain producers (Harlan, Araujo, Dalla Valle, Colgin,
    Screaming Eagle) as "pushing the envelope of quality." What
    characterized this "revolution" were lower yields, high levels of
    extraction, more forward tannins and lavish oak. These wines were (and
    are) very dramatic, attention-grabbing wines that may be more suited for
    drinking on their own than with food and with questions regarding their
    ability to develop with age. Nontheless, with Parker's praise came
    steep increases in demand and price, and now many CA producers seek to
    emulate the success of those early producers. As this shift in style
    has occurred, Parker has continued to praise it, with the result of high
    scores. I used to agree with much of what Parker wrote about CA wine,
    but now I find that a score in excess of 95 is almost a sure sign that
    I'll dislike the wine (not that I get that many chances to try them).
    What interests me in all this is that certain producers (Mondavi, Dunn,
    Montelena, Ridge) didn't change their style to suit Parker and have, to
    an extent, fallen off the map. It's no coincidence that these are among
    my favorite producers, too ;-)

    Mark Lipton


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    Richard Neidich Guest

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    I certainly agree with you on Montelena, Dunn and Ridge. Mondavi while
    still very good...is not in the same leage to me personally.

    You accessment on points...I am NOT a huge Parker Fan for anything but
    California.

    Reminds me of the 1989 Chateau Margaux which was to me far better than the
    1990 that got all the rage from Parker. Suckling from WS I thought was more
    on the money.


    "Mark Lipton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:gf1njb$qkl$[email protected]..
    > Dee Randall wrote:
    >> Is it just me, or has anybody noticed that Robert Parker has been giving
    >> lately more California wines a 90+ rating?

    >
    > Dee,
    > Here's my perception of the change: back in the early '90s, Parker,
    > who'd long criticized California wines as lacking in depth and
    > character, started praising a "qualitative revolution" in California and
    > singling out certain producers (Harlan, Araujo, Dalla Valle, Colgin,
    > Screaming Eagle) as "pushing the envelope of quality." What
    > characterized this "revolution" were lower yields, high levels of
    > extraction, more forward tannins and lavish oak. These wines were (and
    > are) very dramatic, attention-grabbing wines that may be more suited for
    > drinking on their own than with food and with questions regarding their
    > ability to develop with age. Nontheless, with Parker's praise came
    > steep increases in demand and price, and now many CA producers seek to
    > emulate the success of those early producers. As this shift in style
    > has occurred, Parker has continued to praise it, with the result of high
    > scores. I used to agree with much of what Parker wrote about CA wine,
    > but now I find that a score in excess of 95 is almost a sure sign that
    > I'll dislike the wine (not that I get that many chances to try them).
    > What interests me in all this is that certain producers (Mondavi, Dunn,
    > Montelena, Ridge) didn't change their style to suit Parker and have, to
    > an extent, fallen off the map. It's no coincidence that these are among
    > my favorite producers, too ;-)
    >
    > Mark Lipton
    >
    >
    > --
    > alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net




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    PK Guest

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    "Mark Lipton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >

    .. These wines were (and
    > are) very dramatic, attention-grabbing wines that may be more suited for
    > drinking on their own than with food and with questions regarding their
    > ability to develop with age. Nontheless, with Parker's praise came
    > steep increases in demand and price, and now many CA producers seek to
    > emulate the success of those early producers. As this shift in style
    > has occurred, Parker has continued to praise it, with the result of high
    > scores. I used to agree with much of what Parker wrote about CA wine,
    > but now I find that a score in excess of 95 is almost a sure sign that
    > I'll dislike the wine


    I have heard several UK wine tutors speak disparagingly of wines being
    "Parkerised" a term they defined much as you do.

    pk


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    Miles Guest

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    Dee Randall wrote:
    > Is it just me, or has anybody noticed that Robert Parker has been giving
    > lately more California wines a 90+ rating?


    Haven't noticed that. Could be more advertising in their magazine? I
    do think the general publics knowledge of fine wines and has increased
    over the past 10 years or so. Thats pushed wineries to produce better
    wines. Twenty years ago white zin was the rage along with ultra cheap
    wines. I find thats not the case anymore. More and more people are
    finding they prefer good decent wines.

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    DaleW Guest

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    On Nov 7, 7:49�pm, Miles <n...@nopers.com> wrote:
    >. �Could be more advertising in their magazine? �


    Um, Robert Parker (Wine Advocate) doesn't take advertizing. Lots of
    things I might bitch/disagree/complain about Arpy, but no ads.

    I don't pay a lot of attention to RP, and CA wines aren't my focus.
    But there are a lot more CA wines intended for upscale audiences than
    10 or 15 years ago. Whether I like them or not, lots more for RP to
    choose from

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    miles Guest

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    DaleW wrote:

    > I don't pay a lot of attention to RP, and CA wines aren't my focus.
    > But there are a lot more CA wines intended for upscale audiences than
    > 10 or 15 years ago. Whether I like them or not, lots more for RP to
    > choose from


    I tend to prefer CA wines over FR. Not that ones better quality over
    the over. Just the styles are different. I prefer fruit forward wines
    and CA seems to lean that way. There do seem to be far more upscale CA
    wines than years ago.

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