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  1. #1
    cwdjrxyz Guest

    Default The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    The FAQ for this group at http://winefaq.cwdjr.net/ has been updated
    to include the new information for New Zeland as recently posted here
    by Mark Lipton. Since the url remains the same, you do not need to
    enter a new book mark.

  2. #2
    cwdjrxyz Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    On May 25, 5:22*pm, cwdjrxyz <spamtr...@cwdjr.info> wrote:
    > The FAQ for this group athttp://winefaq.cwdjr.net/has been updated
    > to include the new information for New Zeland as recently posted here
    > by Mark Lipton. Since the url remains the same, you do not need to
    > enter a new book mark.


    I noticed that an "a" in "Zealand" was missing in this post. However
    it is correct in the updated FAQs.

  3. #3
    Ken Blake Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:22:17 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > The FAQ for this group at http://winefaq.cwdjr.net/ has been updated
    > to include the new information for New Zeland as recently posted here
    > by Mark Lipton. Since the url remains the same, you do not need to
    > enter a new book mark.




    I've said this here before, but I'll say it again. In almost every
    newsgroup, a FAQ is generally useless. the only people who know it
    exists are those who follow the newsgroup regularly, and they are
    those who don't need it. With very few exceptions, those who need it
    never saw the post (or posts) telling them where it is.

    I don't object to its existence, since there's no real downside to its
    being there. But I do object to the effort that you, or anyone else,
    puts into creating and maintaining a generally useless web page.




    --
    Ken Blake

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    cwdjrxyz Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    On May 25, 7:13*pm, Ken Blake <kbl...@kb.invalid> wrote:
    > On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:22:17 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    >
    > <spamtr...@cwdjr.info> wrote:
    > > The FAQ for this group athttp://winefaq.cwdjr.net/has been updated
    > > to include the new information for New Zeland as recently posted here
    > > by Mark Lipton. Since the url remains the same, you do not need to
    > > enter a new book mark.

    >
    > I've said this here before, but I'll say it again. In almost every
    > newsgroup, a FAQ is generally useless. the only people who know it
    > exists are those who follow the newsgroup regularly, and they are
    > those who don't need it. With very few exceptions, those who need it
    > never saw the post (or posts) telling them where it is.
    >
    > I don't object to its existence, since there's no real downside to its
    > being there. But I do object to the effort that you, or anyone else,
    > puts into creating and maintaining a generally useless web page.


    I really do not mind keeping the FAQ site up and updating it. It now
    takes very little time for me to update the code when needed. It costs
    me nothing, as I have 2 domains which can include dozens of sub
    domains such as the FAQ for this newsgroup. There is a huge amount of
    bandwidth, so I never get close to having to pay extra for heavy
    usage. However it requires a lot more time for Mark Lipton who writes
    the FAQs with the input from many who have much knowledge about
    specific types of wine and wine related subjects. Although, as you
    suggest, some may miss the FAQ. A link to the FAQ is given in the
    posts from several users of this group. Also many regulars in this
    group will reply to a question with a link to a specific section of
    the FAQ to not have to write an answer to a frequent question over and
    over.
    The recent update of the New Zealand section of FAQ is a good example.
    A person going to New Zealand asked for some information. He was given
    the link to the New Zealand section of the FAQ, but was told the
    information there was a little old. He was given more recent
    information. The individual who wrote the New Zealand section of the
    FAQ kindly updated it, and Mark Lipton posted the revision in this
    group. I then made the revision on the FAQ site.

    I think that many non-regulars of a group will not bother to take the
    time to read the FAQs even if they have the FAQs link before them in
    large, flashing red text. It is so much faster to just post a
    question. Some groups post a link to the FAQs on a regular basis,
    depending on how active the group is. A few regular users become
    rather testy if the question has been answered in the FAQ, but this
    does not seem to help much. And one is more likely to get an answer if
    a regular can give a specific reference to the FAQ rather than give a
    sometimes long answer that requires considerable time.



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    Mike Tommasi Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    On 26/05/2012 02:13, Ken Blake wrote:
    > On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:22:17 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> The FAQ for this group at http://winefaq.cwdjr.net/ has been updated
    >> to include the new information for New Zeland as recently posted here
    >> by Mark Lipton. Since the url remains the same, you do not need to
    >> enter a new book mark.

    >
    >
    >
    > I've said this here before, but I'll say it again. In almost every
    > newsgroup, a FAQ is generally useless. the only people who know it
    > exists are those who follow the newsgroup regularly, and they are
    > those who don't need it. With very few exceptions, those who need it
    > never saw the post (or posts) telling them where it is.
    >
    > I don't object to its existence, since there's no real downside to its
    > being there. But I do object to the effort that you, or anyone else,
    > puts into creating and maintaining a generally useless web page.



    The FAQ tends to be difficult to access. OTOH with a small effort it
    could be made more visible on the net. We would also need to complete
    it, I for one have not contributed what I promised years ago, mainly
    because I forgot the FAQ existed... If completed it could even be the
    base for a very informative and intellectually stimulating book on wine,
    a compendium of writings by people who like to get their palates wet.


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    lleichtman Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    On May 26, 4:49*am, Mike Tommasi <nob...@tommasi.org> wrote:
    > On 26/05/2012 02:13, Ken Blake wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:22:17 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    > > <spamtr...@cwdjr.info> *wrote:

    >
    > >> The FAQ for this group athttp://winefaq.cwdjr.net/has been updated
    > >> to include the new information for New Zeland as recently posted here
    > >> by Mark Lipton. Since the url remains the same, you do not need to
    > >> enter a new book mark.

    >
    > > I've said this here before, but I'll say it again. In almost every
    > > newsgroup, a FAQ is generally useless. the only people who know it
    > > exists are those who follow the newsgroup regularly, and they are
    > > those who don't need it. With very few exceptions, those who need it
    > > never saw the post (or posts) telling them where it is.

    >
    > > I don't object to its existence, since there's no real downside to its
    > > being there. But I do object to the effort that you, or anyone else,
    > > puts into creating and maintaining a generally useless web page.

    >
    > The FAQ tends to be difficult to access. *OTOH with a small effort it
    > could be made more visible on the net. We would also need to complete
    > it, I for one have not contributed what I promised years ago, mainly
    > because I forgot the FAQ existed... *If completed it could even be the
    > base for a very informative and intellectually stimulating book on wine,
    > a compendium of writings by people who like to get their palates wet.


    So how would it be made more visible as Goggle controls how the group
    information is presented?

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    Ken Blake Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    On Fri, 25 May 2012 20:47:16 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    > I think that many non-regulars of a group will not bother to take the
    > time to read the FAQs even if they have the FAQs link before them in
    > large, flashing red text. It is so much faster to just post a
    > question.



    Yes, I agree completely. That's another reason why I think FAQs are
    generally worthless.

    But if you don't mind creating and maintaining it, I have no real
    objection to its existence, as I said.


    --
    Ken Blake

  8. #8
    Sheila Page Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    In message <[email protected]>, Ken Blake
    <[email protected]> writes
    >On Fri, 25 May 2012 20:47:16 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >> I think that many non-regulars of a group will not bother to take the
    >> time to read the FAQs even if they have the FAQs link before them in
    >> large, flashing red text. It is so much faster to just post a
    >> question.

    >
    >
    >Yes, I agree completely. That's another reason why I think FAQs are
    >generally worthless.
    >
    >But if you don't mind creating and maintaining it, I have no real
    >objection to its existence, as I said.
    >
    >

    I strongly disagree. I follow this group regularly, but if I am
    planning a visit to a wine area which I do not know I find the FAQ very
    useful. Even if I kept every relevant comment about every place I might
    some day visit, I would have to re-organise them and re-index them (some
    information is under unhelpful subject lines). I am grateful to those
    who keep it up to date and host it.

    I find the comment that 'FAQs are generally worthless' rather silly, as
    well as offensive.

    Sheila
    --
    ---
    Sheila Page

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    cwdjrxyz Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    On May 26, 5:49*am, Mike Tommasi <nob...@tommasi.org> wrote:
    > On 26/05/2012 02:13, Ken Blake wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:22:17 -0700 (PDT), cwdjrxyz
    > > <spamtr...@cwdjr.info> *wrote:

    >
    > >> The FAQ for this group athttp://winefaq.cwdjr.net/has been updated
    > >> to include the new information for New Zeland as recently posted here
    > >> by Mark Lipton. Since the url remains the same, you do not need to
    > >> enter a new book mark.

    >
    > > I've said this here before, but I'll say it again. In almost every
    > > newsgroup, a FAQ is generally useless. the only people who know it
    > > exists are those who follow the newsgroup regularly, and they are
    > > those who don't need it. With very few exceptions, those who need it
    > > never saw the post (or posts) telling them where it is.

    >
    > > I don't object to its existence, since there's no real downside to its
    > > being there. But I do object to the effort that you, or anyone else,
    > > puts into creating and maintaining a generally useless web page.

    >
    > The FAQ tends to be difficult to access. *OTOH with a small effort it
    > could be made more visible on the net. We would also need to complete
    > it, I for one have not contributed what I promised years ago, mainly
    > because I forgot the FAQ existed... *If completed it could even be the
    > base for a very informative and intellectually stimulating book on wine,
    > a compendium of writings by people who like to get their palates wet.


    I posted this info yesterday in response to another person, so I will
    try again since the post still has not appeared - at least on Google
    Groups.

    I have Webalizer installed on the servers that my 2 domains are on
    including the sub domain that has the faq for this group. When a user
    agent such as a computer browser, player, bot, or spider and the
    server first connect, there is an exchange of information between them
    that is much information. Webalizer keeps track of all of these header
    exchange data and generates weekly and monthly reports. Much of this
    information is of interest only to the owner of the site, but there is
    some information about the faq for this group that may be of interest
    to some. For the month of April 2012, the group faq site had 2059
    hits. There were 301 different sources of these hits. There were many
    hits by bots and spiders that collect information for search engines.
    These are the usual suspects such as Google and Bing as well as search
    engines in China, Korea, India, Italy and several other countries. In
    some cases this may lead some to our group when they use a search
    engine.

    Since our group is rather specialized we can not expect the number of
    posts and hits to the faq site that a more general group might have.
    After viewing the Webalizer reports for several months, I conclude
    that there are enough hits to justify my making updates to the site
    when others write the updates.

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    st.helier Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    "cwdjrxyz" wrote .........
    >
    > there are enough hits to justify my making updates to the
    > site when others write the updates.


    Thanks CWD Jr. your advice does encourage one to continue contributing to
    the FAQ.

    I had planned to revisit Australia in October, and was going to update the
    Australian section.

    But, I have accepted an invitation to participate in the 70th anniversary of
    the battle of El Alamein in Egypt (my father was a combatant) - so the Oz
    trip is on hold until 2013.

    Are there any vineyards in Egypt to be reviewed?

    st.helier



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    cwdjrxyz Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    On May 28, 12:57*am, "st.helier" <alphabet...@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
    wrote:
    > "cwdjrxyz" *wrote .........
    >
    >
    >
    > > there are enough hits to justify my making updates to the
    > > site when others write the updates.

    >
    > Thanks CWD Jr. your advice does encourage one to continue contributing to
    > the FAQ.
    >
    > I had planned to revisit Australia in October, and was going to update the
    > Australian section.
    >
    > But, I have accepted an invitation to participate in the 70th anniversaryof
    > the battle of El Alamein in Egypt (my father was a combatant) - so the Oz
    > trip is on hold until 2013.
    >
    > Are there any vineyards in Egypt to be reviewed?


    Perhaps various types of dates in different locations :-). Date wine
    has long been made in that part of the world. Since Egypt's neighbor
    Israel produces some grape wine, it is likely that Egypt has produced
    some grape wine at some time. Of course many in Egypt do not approve
    of drinking wine, so that could be important.


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    st.helier Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    "cwdjrxyz" wrote
    >
    > Perhaps various types of dates in different locations :-).


    Yes, I have adventurous taste - I would be into date wine.



    > Since Egypt's neighbor Israel produces some grape wine, it is likely
    > that Egypt has produced some grape wine at some time.


    Hmm - I don't think I shall find any Ch. Musar in Egypt, but I will try to
    uncover Cleopatra's long-forgotten cellars :-)



    > Of course many in Egypt do not approve
    > of drinking wine, so that could be important.


    Yes, I need to acquaint myself with the dos and don'ts of drinking in that
    part of the world, lest I become the late Lord St.H


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    lleichtman Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    On May 28, 2:59*am, "st.helier" <alphabet...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
    > "cwdjrxyz" *wrote
    >
    >
    >
    > > Perhaps various types of dates *in different locations :-).

    >
    > Yes, I have adventurous taste - I would be into date wine.
    >
    > > Since Egypt's neighbor Israel produces some grape wine, it is likely
    > > *that Egypt has produced some grape wine at some time.

    >
    > Hmm - I don't think I shall find any Ch. Musar in Egypt, but I will try to
    > uncover Cleopatra's long-forgotten cellars :-)
    >
    > > Of course many in Egypt do not approve
    > > of drinking wine, so that could be important.

    >
    > Yes, I need to acquaint myself with the dos and don'ts of drinking in that
    > part of the world, lest I become the late Lord St.H


    Watch out opening some of the amphoras. They may have old organs and
    not wine.

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    st.helier Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    "lleichtman" wrote .........

    On May 28, 2:59 am, "st.helier" <alphabet...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
    > "cwdjrxyz" wrote
    >
    > > Perhaps various types of dates in different locations :-).

    >
    > Yes, I have adventurous taste - I would be into date wine.
    >
    > > Since Egypt's neighbor Israel produces some grape wine, it is likely
    > > that Egypt has produced some grape wine at some time.

    >
    > > Hmm - I don't think I shall find any Ch. Musar in Egypt, but I will try
    > > to
    > > uncover Cleopatra's long-forgotten cellars :-)

    >
    > > > Of course many in Egypt do not approve
    > > > of drinking wine, so that could be important.

    >
    > > Yes, I need to acquaint myself with the dos and don'ts of drinking in
    > > that
    > > part of the world, lest I become the late Lord St.H


    > Watch out opening some of the amphoras. They may have old organs
    > and not wine.




    But I like music :-)


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    cwdjrxyz Guest

    Default Re: The FAQ web site for this group has been updated

    On May 28, 3:59*am, "st.helier" <alphabet...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
    > "cwdjrxyz" *wrote
    >
    >
    >
    > > Perhaps various types of dates *in different locations :-).

    >
    > Yes, I have adventurous taste - I would be into date wine.
    >
    > > Since Egypt's neighbor Israel produces some grape wine, it is likely
    > > *that Egypt has produced some grape wine at some time.

    >
    > Hmm - I don't think I shall find any Ch. Musar in Egypt, but I will try to
    > uncover Cleopatra's long-forgotten cellars :-)
    >
    > > Of course many in Egypt do not approve
    > > of drinking wine, so that could be important.

    >
    > Yes, I need to acquaint myself with the dos and don'ts of drinking in that
    > part of the world, lest I become the late Lord St.H


    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_wine for a discussian of
    both ancient and modern Egyptian wine. There is a bit of dry red,
    white, and rose grape wine made. I don't know how recent events in
    Egypt may have changed this. You should be able to taste most of the
    more drinkable wines with one or two meals. There are only 3 important
    wine companies. One of the companies imports grapes for making wine.

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