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Thread: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines

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    greybeard Guest

    Default 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines

    Guys,
    My experience of muscadet is very limited so here's the question:
    A local retailer has a special on this. Is this producer worthy of a
    look?



    cheers greybeard



  2. #2
    lleichtman Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines

    On Mar 7, 3:35*pm, "greybeard" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
    > Guys,
    > My experience of muscadet is very limited so here's the question:
    > A local retailer has a special on this. Is this producer worthy of a
    > look?
    >
    > cheers greybeard


    I have had this at a tasting and it was quite nice. What is the price?

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    Doug Anderson Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines

    "greybeard" <[email protected]> writes:

    > Guys,
    > My experience of muscadet is very limited so here's the question:
    > A local retailer has a special on this. Is this producer worthy of a
    > look?


    Yes, the producer is worthy of a taste.

    I don't know about 2009 prices. Cellartracker lists the average
    price for the 2008 as $14.74 (but it is an average among 4 users, so
    take it with a grain of salt).

    Expect nice acidity and some fruit, maybe on the citrusy side.

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    Mark Lipton Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines

    greybeard wrote:
    > Guys,
    > My experience of muscadet is very limited so here's the question:
    > A local retailer has a special on this. Is this producer worthy of a
    > look?


    First of all, I hope that you weren't adversely affected by the recent
    Christchurch trembler. Beyond that, I'll back up what others have said:
    L-P is a top-notch producer and '09 is a good, if ripe, year. Clos des
    Allees is one of the top wines made by Luneau-Papin, so you're getting a
    high end Muscadet, but one that can nonetheless be drunk as soon as one
    wants (though it'll age for 5-10 years with no sweat, too).

    Mark Lipton

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    Emery Davis Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines

    On 03/07/2011 11:35 PM, greybeard wrote:
    > Guys,
    > My experience of muscadet is very limited so here's the question:
    > A local retailer has a special on this. Is this producer worthy of a
    > look?
    >


    As others have said, one of the best producers. I believe Santiago and
    I tasted this wine from the vat. The 2009 fruit was very good indeed.

    Echoing what Mark said don't be afraid to put this one down for 10 years
    or so.

    -E

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    greybeard Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines


    "Mark Lipton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:il4bbq$9ho$[email protected]..
    | greybeard wrote:
    | > Guys,
    | > My experience of muscadet is very limited so here's the question:
    | > A local retailer has a special on this. Is this producer worthy of a
    | > look?
    |
    | First of all, I hope that you weren't adversely affected by the recent
    | Christchurch trembler. Beyond that, I'll back up what others have
    said:
    | L-P is a top-notch producer and '09 is a good, if ripe, year. Clos
    des
    | Allees is one of the top wines made by Luneau-Papin, so you're getting
    a
    | high end Muscadet, but one that can nonetheless be drunk as soon as
    one
    | wants (though it'll age for 5-10 years with no sweat, too).
    |
    | Mark Lipton
    |

    Thanks to responders.

    Professor, I'm in Auckland, which as you know is a long
    way from ChCh and no recent family/friends connections.
    I recall a post from Joe Coulter? saying he was at Villa Maria
    in Auckland at the time of the earthquake,and found out about
    it later in Frisco or LA.

    Back to the wine. The is much comment on Luneau-Paplin wines
    from time to time. Is there any relationship between L-P & Pierre
    Luneau?

    One other question, several have mentioned tasting 2009 already, but
    muscadet is a low acidity variety, will the ripe 2009 vintage result in
    soft flabby shortlived wine?

    Re price $NZD20, say $US15.

    cheers greybeard





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    Doug Anderson Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines

    "greybeard" <[email protected]> writes:

    > "Mark Lipton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:il4bbq$9ho$[email protected]..
    > | greybeard wrote:
    > | > Guys,
    > | > My experience of muscadet is very limited so here's the question:
    > | > A local retailer has a special on this. Is this producer worthy of a
    > | > look?
    > |
    > | First of all, I hope that you weren't adversely affected by the recent
    > | Christchurch trembler. Beyond that, I'll back up what others have
    > said:
    > | L-P is a top-notch producer and '09 is a good, if ripe, year. Clos
    > des
    > | Allees is one of the top wines made by Luneau-Papin, so you're getting
    > a
    > | high end Muscadet, but one that can nonetheless be drunk as soon as
    > one
    > | wants (though it'll age for 5-10 years with no sweat, too).
    > |
    > | Mark Lipton
    > |
    >
    > Thanks to responders.
    >
    > Professor, I'm in Auckland, which as you know is a long
    > way from ChCh and no recent family/friends connections.
    > I recall a post from Joe Coulter? saying he was at Villa Maria
    > in Auckland at the time of the earthquake,and found out about
    > it later in Frisco or LA.
    >
    > Back to the wine. The is much comment on Luneau-Paplin wines
    > from time to time. Is there any relationship between L-P & Pierre
    > Luneau?
    >
    > One other question, several have mentioned tasting 2009 already, but
    > muscadet is a low acidity variety, will the ripe 2009 vintage result in
    > soft flabby shortlived wine?


    I'm not sure why you characterize muscadet as a low acidity variety
    (actually the variety is melon de bourgogne, but I don't think that is
    low acidity either).

    Yes, some 2009s will doubtless be flabby. The particular wine you are
    discussing has been excellent in some vintages. Just buy a bottle
    already and try it - I think you are over-thinking a small purchase on
    a wine that can generally be expected to be good.


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    Mark Lipton Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines

    greybeard wrote:

    >
    > Professor, I'm in Auckland, which as you know is a long
    > way from ChCh and no recent family/friends connections.
    > I recall a post from Joe Coulter? saying he was at Villa Maria
    > in Auckland at the time of the earthquake,and found out about
    > it later in Frisco or LA.


    Yes, I know personally how far Auckland is from Christchurch, having
    driven the distance with (ex-)Milud St. Helier and the Hoares (that has
    quite a salacious ring to it, doesn't it?).

    >
    > Back to the wine. The is much comment on Luneau-Paplin wines
    > from time to time. Is there any relationship between L-P & Pierre
    > Luneau?


    Pierre Luneau is the proprietor of Luneau-Papin. You can read all the
    gory details here:

    http://louisdressner.com/Luneau/

    >
    > One other question, several have mentioned tasting 2009 already, but
    > muscadet is a low acidity variety, will the ripe 2009 vintage result in
    > soft flabby shortlived wine?


    As Doug said, Melon de Bourgogne, the grape from which Muscadet is made,
    is anything but low in acid. Normally, Muscadet is quite crisply acidic
    such that it's often paired with shellfish. The '09s I've had have had
    plenty of acid but been a bit rounder and fleshier than is the norm.
    That's all. As for aging, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't bet against them
    aging well for a decade. I had a 1992 Luneau-Papin Muscadet in 2006
    that was still going strong.

    >
    > Re price $NZD20, say $US15.


    Eminently reasonable by US standards.

    Cheers!
    Mark Lipton

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    santiago Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines

    Mark Lipton <[email protected]> wrote in news:il6osv$n9u$1
    @speranza.aioe.org:
    >>
    >> One other question, several have mentioned tasting 2009 already, but
    >> muscadet is a low acidity variety, will the ripe 2009 vintage result in
    >> soft flabby shortlived wine?


    From what I have tasted, 2009 is a good vintage that retains enough
    acidity. I will not call it a flabby vintage. I have not much experience
    with Clos des Allées, but I am pretty sure it will be a great wine in 5
    years and probably in 10. The Luneaus keep a library but mostly for Le L
    d'Or (which is a subsoil of "granite").
    >
    > As Doug said, Melon de Bourgogne, the grape from which Muscadet is made,
    > is anything but low in acid. Normally, Muscadet is quite crisply acidic
    > such that it's often paired with shellfish.


    That depends on what you consider acid. A top Muscadet can have a total
    acidity level of 3,7 g/l and that is not much if you compare it to a top
    German Riesling trocken with a total acidity level of 8 g/l. But, Muscadet
    finds its balance as does Riesling.

    s.


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    greybeard Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines


    "santiago" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:Xns9EA3BAAD614BEjustme@194.177[email protected]..
    | Mark Lipton <[email protected]> wrote in news:il6osv$n9u$1
    | @speranza.aioe.org:
    | >>
    | >> One other question, several have mentioned tasting 2009 already,
    but
    | >> muscadet is a low acidity variety, will the ripe 2009 vintage
    result in
    | >> soft flabby shortlived wine?
    |
    | From what I have tasted, 2009 is a good vintage that retains enough
    | acidity. I will not call it a flabby vintage. I have not much
    experience
    | with Clos des Allées, but I am pretty sure it will be a great wine in
    5
    | years and probably in 10. The Luneaus keep a library but mostly for Le
    L
    | d'Or (which is a subsoil of "granite").
    | >
    | > As Doug said, Melon de Bourgogne, the grape from which Muscadet is
    made,
    | > is anything but low in acid. Normally, Muscadet is quite crisply
    acidic
    | > such that it's often paired with shellfish.
    |
    | That depends on what you consider acid. A top Muscadet can have a
    total
    | acidity level of 3,7 g/l and that is not much if you compare it to a
    top
    | German Riesling trocken with a total acidity level of 8 g/l. But,
    Muscadet
    | finds its balance as does Riesling.
    |
    | s.
    |
    |

    Thanks again.
    I come from the land of sauvignon blanc, we love acidity in our wine.
    And the cheap price comes with a minimum of 6 btl purchase, so bears
    a little checkout first...................

    greybeard


    gre



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    st.helier Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines

    Hey Greybeard

    Don't keep secrets

    I will be down from Whangarei in a couple weeks

    Where did you find this wine?

    I have been searching (in vain) for a half decent Muscadet.

    Cheers

    st.helier

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    greybeard Guest

    Default Re: 2009 Pierre Luneau Muscadet Allees Old Vines


    "st.helier" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ilccms$1k8$[email protected]..
    | Hey Greybeard
    |
    | Don't keep secrets
    |
    | I will be down from Whangarei in a couple weeks
    |
    | Where did you find this wine?
    |
    | I have been searching (in vain) for a half decent Muscadet.
    |
    | Cheers
    |
    | st.helier
    |


    Caro's (Parnell) milord.

    They do a weekly email specials list.
    The muscadet is on this weeks.
    They have a web presence.

    greybeard.



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