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    Bi!! Guest

    Default 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva

    While rummaging around in the cellar I found two bottles of 1995
    Monsanto Il Poggio RIserva Chianti and decided to open one with
    dinner. The wine was slightly brickish but I find that a lot of
    Chianti and Sangiovese have a brickish cast to them even when young.
    The nose was a bit tight and restrained with a bit of tobacco and a
    woody cedary note. On the palate the wine was a bit tired. The fruit
    was somewhat flat witha bit of sour cherry and a slight herbal note.
    THe tannins were very drying on the palate almost a dusty feel.
    OVerall not very charming and just drinkable. "C"

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    Dee Randall Guest

    Default Re: 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva


    "Bi!!" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > While rummaging around in the cellar I found two bottles of 1995
    > Monsanto Il Poggio RIserva Chianti and decided to open one with
    > dinner. The wine was slightly brickish but I find that a lot of
    > Chianti and Sangiovese have a brickish cast to them even when young.
    > The nose was a bit tight and restrained with a bit of tobacco and a
    > woody cedary note. On the palate the wine was a bit tired. The fruit
    > was somewhat flat witha bit of sour cherry and a slight herbal note.
    > THe tannins were very drying on the palate almost a dusty feel.
    > OVerall not very charming and just drinkable. "C"



    http://www.snooth.com/wine/umberto-c...l-poggio-1995/

    I'm trying to understand a little more:
    The wine I'm linking to says that it is Cesari and Il Poggio 1995
    Your bottles were Monsanto and Il Poggio 1995

    If Cesari is a winery
    and
    Monsanto is a winery?

    What is the Il Poggio referring to?

    Thanks so much.

    Dee Dee



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    Nils Gustaf Lindgren Guest

    Default Re: 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva

    Hello

    Poggio means "hill, small hill, hillock". Since most Tuscany vineyards are
    on hills and slopes it is rather generic . It is not the name of a specific
    vineyard as far as I know.
    HTH

    Cheers

    Nils



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    =?iso-8859-1?Q?Anders_T=F8rneskog?= Guest

    Default Re: 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva


    "Dee Randall" <[email protected]> skrev i melding news:gtn0bg$6t0$[email protected]..
    >
    > I'm trying to understand a little more:
    > The wine I'm linking to says that it is Cesari and Il Poggio 1995
    > Your bottles were Monsanto and Il Poggio 1995
    >

    Nils is probably right about Il Poggio in general, but here is from the website of Castello di Monsanto on what they call "The first Chianti Classico crû .... made only in the best years":

    Appellation: Chianti Classico DOCG Riserva
    Production zone: Località Monsanto - Barberino Val d'Elsa (Florence)
    Grape mixture: Sangiovese, 90%; Canaiolo and Colorino, 10%
    Vineyard: Il Poggio (5.5 hectares)
    Soil composition: schistose marl consisting of petrified clay
    streaked with marly veins, rich in minerals
    Yield per hectare: 60-65 quintals (2.7-2.9 tons an acre)
    Vinification: in stainless steel at a controlled temperature
    with about 25 days of skin contact
    Maturation: 18 months in French-oak barriques new
    and used once before
    Bottle aging: 12 months
    First year of production: 1962

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    Anders Tørneskog Guest

    Default Re: 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva


    "Dee Randall" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
    news:gtn0bg$6t0$[email protected]..
    >


    > What is the Il Poggio referring to?
    >

    Umberto Cesari Il Poggio seems to be a quite different animal... Here is
    some info:
    This is where Umberto Cesari has 130 acres of vineyards near the ancient
    Roman road leading from Milano to Rimini.
    Il Poggio is considered by many to produce some of the best wines of Emilia
    Romagna. They all come from Cesari family vineyards.
    Mr. Cesari is a thoroughly modern man with deep attachments to his beloved
    Emilia Romagna. He is also a big fan of Sangiovese and he believes in
    allowing the grape to express its distinctive personality in the wine.
    To achieve this, Mr. Cesari ferments the wine in stainless steel. He also
    carefully monitors the temperature during fermentation so it doesn't get too
    hot and destroy the lovely fruit aromas.
    The wine never touches oak either. That would only cover up the strawberry
    and cherry flavors, which would be a shame!

    The Cesari wine is 14USD a bottle, the Monsanto about 50-60USD...

    Anders



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    Dee Randall Guest

    Default Re: 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva


    "Anders Tørneskog" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:49ff1ee0$0$13276$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Dee Randall" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
    > news:gtn0bg$6t0$[email protected]..
    >>

    >
    >> What is the Il Poggio referring to?
    >>

    > Umberto Cesari Il Poggio seems to be a quite different animal... Here is
    > some info:
    > This is where Umberto Cesari has 130 acres of vineyards near the ancient
    > Roman road leading from Milano to Rimini.
    > Il Poggio is considered by many to produce some of the best wines of
    > Emilia Romagna. They all come from Cesari family vineyards.
    > Mr. Cesari is a thoroughly modern man with deep attachments to his beloved
    > Emilia Romagna. He is also a big fan of Sangiovese and he believes in
    > allowing the grape to express its distinctive personality in the wine.
    > To achieve this, Mr. Cesari ferments the wine in stainless steel. He also
    > carefully monitors the temperature during fermentation so it doesn't get
    > too hot and destroy the lovely fruit aromas.
    > The wine never touches oak either. That would only cover up the strawberry
    > and cherry flavors, which would be a shame!
    >
    > The Cesari wine is 14USD a bottle, the Monsanto about 50-60USD...
    >
    > Anders


    Thanks for the post.

    Monsanto? No way! "what's in a name?"
    I did try a Monsanto recently upon the advice of a 'wine salesman' 11-5-08
    for $21 reg $27
    Here it is and my comment:

    Fattori Monsanto (or Montsanto) Chianti Classico Reserva DOCG 2005
    90% sangiovese, canaiolo 7%, colorino 3%;

    Bottled byFabrizio Bianchi

    Horrible - Don't buy again.

    Dee Dee



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    Anders Tørneskog Guest

    Default Re: 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva


    "Dee Randall" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
    news:gtn7lp$a9l$[email protected]..
    >

    ..
    >
    > Monsanto? No way! "what's in a name?"
    > I did try a Monsanto recently upon the advice of a 'wine salesman' 11-5-08
    > for $21 reg $27
    > Here it is and my comment:
    >
    > Fattori Monsanto (or Montsanto) Chianti Classico Reserva DOCG 2005
    > 90% sangiovese, canaiolo 7%, colorino 3%;
    >
    > Bottled byFabrizio Bianchi
    >
    > Horrible - Don't buy again.
    >

    Yes, but didn't we talk about the Monsanto Il Poggio? That is a 50USD
    wine... The ordinary Classico Reserva is 15-27USD according to
    wine-searcher.com
    Whether any is horrible, I don't know :-)
    Anders



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    DaleW Guest

    Default Re: 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva

    On May 4, 9:37*am, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
    > While rummaging around in the cellar I found two bottles of 1995
    > Monsanto Il Poggio RIserva Chianti and decided to open one with
    > dinner. *The wine was slightly brickish but I find that a lot of
    > Chianti and Sangiovese have a brickish cast to them even when young.
    > The nose was a bit tight and restrained with a bit of tobacco and a
    > woody cedary note. *On the palate the wine was a bit tired. *The fruit
    > was somewhat flat witha bit of sour cherry and a slight herbal note.
    > THe tannins were very drying on the palate almost a dusty feel.
    > OVerall not very charming and just drinkable. "C"


    Too bad. '95 CCRs can be quite nice (the Felsina Rancia is drinking
    nicely now). Overall, Monsanto isn't one of my favorite producers.
    Though the '78 Il Poggio was alive and kicking last year!


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    Nils Gustaf Lindgren Guest

    Default Re: 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva

    Regardless of the quality of Monsanto, poggio is a name found all over Italy
    in various combinations. I doubt that it has the same "cru" status as, for
    instance, Chambertin, or, for that matter, Cannubi (to keep on the right
    side of the border).

    Cheers

    Nils


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    DaleW Guest

    Default Re: 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva

    On May 4, 4:07*pm, "Nils Gustaf Lindgren"
    <nils.lindg...@NOTAVALIDADRESS.se> wrote:
    > Regardless of the quality of Monsanto, poggio is a name found all over Italy
    > in various combinations. I doubt that it has the same "cru" status as, for
    > instance, Chambertin, or, for that matter, Cannubi (to keep on the right
    > side of the border).
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > Nils


    Well, lots of famous vineyards don't have official status- I don't
    think Clos Ste Hune, Martha's Vineyard, etc do. I don't think Austrian
    (Singerriedel) vineyards have any official classification. Many
    others. But I do think that Monsanto's "Il Poggio" is a single
    monopole vineyard, and have never seen that on another Chianti label.
    But you're right Poggio is common, one of the reasons I have trouble
    remembering Brunellos.

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    Bi!! Guest

    Default Re: 1995 Monsanto Il Poggio Riserva

    On May 4, 11:06�am, "Dee Randall" <deedo...@shentel.net> wrote:
    > "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    > > While rummaging around in the cellar I found two bottles of 1995
    > > Monsanto Il Poggio RIserva Chianti and decided to open one with
    > > dinner. �The wine was slightly brickish but I find that a lot of
    > > Chianti and Sangiovese have a brickish cast to them even when young.
    > > The nose was a bit tight and restrained with a bit of tobacco and a
    > > woody cedary note. �On the palate the wine was a bit tired. �The fruit
    > > was somewhat flat witha bit of sour cherry and a slight herbal note.
    > > THe tannins were very drying on the palate almost a dusty feel.
    > > OVerall not very charming and just drinkable. "C"

    >
    > http://www.snooth.com/wine/umberto-c...-romagna-super...
    >
    > I'm trying to understand a little more:
    > The wine I'm linking to says that it is Cesari and Il Poggio 1995
    > Your bottles were Monsanto and Il Poggio 1995
    >
    > If Cesari is a winery
    > and
    > Monsanto is a winery?
    >
    > What is the Il Poggio referring to?
    >
    > Thanks so much.
    >
    > Dee Dee


    Everybody seems to have answered your question so I'll leave it at
    Monsanto Il Poggio (the hilltop) is Monsanto's top wine only bottled
    in "good" years. he picture on the label kind of explain it.This
    bottle was a bit tired, still drinkable but not at top form. When it
    was young it was quite tasty but still only a "B+" IIRC. Thanks
    Anders for the reference from the Monsanto website.

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