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  1. #21
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:34:45 -0500, Janet Wilder
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 10/17/2011 8:01 PM, Evelyn wrote:
    >> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:07:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> "Susan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:9g3bj8Fh21U[email protected]..
    >>>> x-no-archive: yes
    >>>>
    >>>> So, in desperation because my cat Jasper escalated aggression against my
    >>>> daugher's visiting cat, Freddy and began cornering him and leaving facial
    >>>> scratches just missing the eye and making us all tense, I bought a Feliway
    >>>> comfort zone diffuser.
    >>>>
    >>>> I put it in the middle of the house in the dining room and it's
    >>>> unbelievable how different the behavior of all three cats is. No
    >>>> aggression, no threatening hisses or cries from Jasper and the other two
    >>>> cats are much more relaxed, too. Freddy is sleeping out in the open
    >>>> instead of always under or on a dining chair or against a wall to protect
    >>>> from attack.
    >>>>
    >>>> No drama even when Freddy muscled Jasper aside to eat first the morning
    >>>> after I plugged it in.
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm a believer.
    >>>>
    >>>> Unfortunately, Jasper has begun puking again this past few days and I saw
    >>>> the first pink puddle just now in my closet. He has been so much better,
    >>>> regaining weight, may be time to rotate to venison or lamb or something
    >>>> else from the same hypoallergenic brand.
    >>>
    >>> Interesting.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Susan I have been still using up the Spot's Stew we bought. I have
    >> found a little trick that helps stop the puking. I give my cat
    >> "Baby" only a tiny bit in her bowl at a time. I notice she pukes
    >> when she eats a lot at once, so I am only giving her little bits at a
    >> time. Seems to help a lot.
    >>
    >> Evelyn

    >
    >
    >Evelyn,
    >
    >I had a cat like that. We swore she was bulemic. She'd gobble up
    >everything then puke. We started giving her several small meals a day.
    >She stopped puking and started to get rid of a lot of excess weight.



    Yes, the tiny meals works out pretty well for "baby" but the other
    cat refuses ALL dry food .... eats only canned food, and she never
    pukes ever.

    Evelyn

  2. #22
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:33:01 -0400, Susan <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >
    >x-no-archive: yes
    >
    >On 10/18/2011 11:27 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:
    >
    >> went thru food allergies with one dog...... the vet wanted to save
    >> venison as a last resort
    >>
    >> random comment fyi
    >>

    >
    >Well, the store has duck and venison in addition to the rabbit/pea
    >protein we need a break from.
    >
    >The vet chose rabbit thinking "duck is like chicken, venison like beef,
    >rabbit is less like anything he's already had."
    >
    >Since the cat is so stressed by exams and procedures, this rotation diet
    >is a last resort. :-/ I'll buy the duck formula and see how it goes,
    >maybe change it up in 4 weeks to venison.
    >
    >Susan



    For my dog, I buy ground turkey in Sam's club, cook it up with some
    water and every day he gets some with his "Solid Gold Wolf -King" dog
    kibble. They also make cat food. I might try buying their cat
    food.

    Evelyn

  3. #23
    =?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= Steensrud Guest

    Default Re: OT: for the cat people

    Peppermint Patootie wrote:

    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Susan <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> x-no-archive: yes
    >>
    >> So, in desperation because my cat Jasper escalated aggression against my
    >> daugher's visiting cat, Freddy and began cornering him and leaving
    >> facial scratches just missing the eye and making us all tense, I bought
    >> a Feliway comfort zone diffuser.


    [snip]

    >>
    >> No drama even when Freddy muscled Jasper aside to eat first the morning
    >> after I plugged it in.
    >>
    >> I'm a believer.

    >
    > Hmmm... interesting. Had you tried "Rescue Remedy?" It's a homeopathic
    > calmer which has a good rep. I tend to have to shut 1/2 my brain down
    > to believe a homeopathic remedy can do anything, but I'm told it works.
    > I may try some of it myself, and, if it doesn't live up to its rep, try
    > the Feliway based on your report.


    I've tried Feliway, too, and it definitely works.

    I showed a young, nervous cat once and another exhibitor gave him a few
    drops of the remedy. I read the label and it said that the solvent used was
    alcohol ... might have given the kitten a stiff drink :-) In any case he
    calmed down and did quite well.

    [...]

    > Smudgie's not good enough with people to try to adopt him out (yet), and
    > I already have four cats in a three cat house, with various social
    > tensions. I'd forgotten about easing tensions via supplement, etc. Not
    > that I'm going to bring Smudgie in, but it could keep them from getting
    > so upset by the sight of him.


    Probably so.

    > Its starting to get cold, so this weekend I washed out the plastic dog
    > house I've used as a shelter in the past, and made sure the outdoor
    > heating pad inside was working. I still need to put more soft stuff in
    > there. I don't know if Smudgie's clued into it yet, but once I get the
    > cushions in I'll put in some dry cat food to pull him inside.


    He might notice the warmth and go inside? I forget where you live, but in
    cold climates cats can do well as long as they have shelter against wind and
    rain or snow, and food.

    Good luck with Smudgie, hope you can find him a home -



    > Priscilla




  4. #24
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: OT: for the cat people

    x-no-archive: yes

    On 10/18/2011 2:56 PM, Peppermint Patootie wrote:

    > Hmmm... interesting. Had you tried "Rescue Remedy?" It's a homeopathic
    > calmer which has a good rep. I tend to have to shut 1/2 my brain down
    > to believe a homeopathic remedy can do anything, but I'm told it works.
    > I may try some of it myself, and, if it doesn't live up to its rep, try
    > the Feliway based on your report.


    Nope. First of all, I have a hard time believing in homeopathic
    remedies "memory" theory in solution... and I could never medicate
    Jasper, he practically shredded the house call vet and her assistant,
    scared the bejeebies out of them, they'd never encountered a cat like
    him before. :-)

    >
    > I have four indoor cats and one outdoor cat who I thought was feral, but
    > I've started thinking is actually a stray who's had bad interactions
    > with humans. I've managed to touch him three times now (which I have
    > never been able to do with a true feral), and he looks to get in the
    > back door when I bring his dinner out. In the evening he's been getting
    > up on the outside ledge of the living room window and watch us inside.
    > All of my indoor cats get nervous when he does that, and one of them
    > tries to go after him through the window. Smudgie (the feral) will be
    > rubbing up against the outside of the window glass, and Sebastian
    > (former feral indoor cat) will yowl and charge from the inside.
    >
    > Smudgie's not good enough with people to try to adopt him out (yet), and
    > I already have four cats in a three cat house, with various social
    > tensions. I'd forgotten about easing tensions via supplement, etc. Not
    > that I'm going to bring Smudgie in, but it could keep them from getting
    > so upset by the sight of him.
    >
    > Its starting to get cold, so this weekend I washed out the plastic dog
    > house I've used as a shelter in the past, and made sure the outdoor
    > heating pad inside was working. I still need to put more soft stuff in
    > there. I don't know if Smudgie's clued into it yet, but once I get the
    > cushions in I'll put in some dry cat food to pull him inside.


    Priscilla, I can't recommend the Comfort Zone diffuser highly enough,
    it's completely relaxed them all, the ones under siege and Jasper...
    three days without incident, when violence, shrieks, hissing were
    becoming constant with time, not less. But I'd buy it online to pay
    literally about half as much. I paid $52 due to desperation but it's
    much cheaper online. For marking/spraying, they say it takes 1 month or
    more, but for my purpose, the effect was instantaneous. I read a lot of
    reviews in a lot of places before buying, and my daughter said it helped
    when she introduced Freddy to their existing cat. Interesting that
    Freddy was the alpha in that situ, because he's a sweetie pie gentleman
    here.

    Susan


  5. #25
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    x-no-archive: yes

    On 10/18/2011 3:41 PM, Evelyn wrote:

    > For my dog, I buy ground turkey in Sam's club, cook it up with some
    > water and every day he gets some with his "Solid Gold Wolf -King" dog
    > kibble. They also make cat food. I might try buying their cat
    > food.


    I know someone who has to cook pork for his cat and add nothing to it,
    not even taurine due to allergy.

    I'm concerned that there are two kinds of protein in this hypoA food,
    along with fish oil. Fish has super high histamine levels that go up
    and up the longer it sits. I know that poultry does, too, because I can
    only eat fresh chicken and turkey and will know within 30 minutes if it
    wasn't, due to intense facial and chest itches from chicken and back
    itchies from turkey if unfresh.

    The problem I have is that I need dry food out all the time for Zoe, who
    won't eat canned, and for Jasper who only eats it sometimes, so even if
    I cook single ingredient food for J, he'll eat the others' food.

    Susan

  6. #26
    Janet Wilder Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    On 10/18/2011 2:39 PM, Evelyn wrote:
    > On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:34:45 -0500, Janet Wilder
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On 10/17/2011 8:01 PM, Evelyn wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:07:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Susan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>> x-no-archive: yes
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So, in desperation because my cat Jasper escalated aggression against my
    >>>>> daugher's visiting cat, Freddy and began cornering him and leaving facial
    >>>>> scratches just missing the eye and making us all tense, I bought a Feliway
    >>>>> comfort zone diffuser.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I put it in the middle of the house in the dining room and it's
    >>>>> unbelievable how different the behavior of all three cats is. No
    >>>>> aggression, no threatening hisses or cries from Jasper and the other two
    >>>>> cats are much more relaxed, too. Freddy is sleeping out in the open
    >>>>> instead of always under or on a dining chair or against a wall to protect
    >>>>> from attack.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> No drama even when Freddy muscled Jasper aside to eat first the morning
    >>>>> after I plugged it in.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'm a believer.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Unfortunately, Jasper has begun puking again this past few days and I saw
    >>>>> the first pink puddle just now in my closet. He has been so much better,
    >>>>> regaining weight, may be time to rotate to venison or lamb or something
    >>>>> else from the same hypoallergenic brand.
    >>>>
    >>>> Interesting.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Susan I have been still using up the Spot's Stew we bought. I have
    >>> found a little trick that helps stop the puking. I give my cat
    >>> "Baby" only a tiny bit in her bowl at a time. I notice she pukes
    >>> when she eats a lot at once, so I am only giving her little bits at a
    >>> time. Seems to help a lot.
    >>>
    >>> Evelyn

    >>
    >>
    >> Evelyn,
    >>
    >> I had a cat like that. We swore she was bulemic. She'd gobble up
    >> everything then puke. We started giving her several small meals a day.
    >> She stopped puking and started to get rid of a lot of excess weight.

    >
    >
    > Yes, the tiny meals works out pretty well for "baby" but the other
    > cat refuses ALL dry food .... eats only canned food, and she never
    > pukes ever.
    >
    > Evelyn


    The cat that we gave the small meals to was allergic to canned food. No
    matter what we tried, she would get a skin problem from canned food. She
    ate dry food only and did well. She lived to well over 20.

    --
    Janet Wilder
    Way-the-heck-south Texas
    Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

  7. #27
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people


    "Evelyn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:21:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Evelyn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected] ..
    >>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:11:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>"Evelyn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email protected] m...
    >>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:07:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>"Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>news:[email protected]..
    >>>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> So, in desperation because my cat Jasper escalated aggression
    >>>>>>> against
    >>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>> daugher's visiting cat, Freddy and began cornering him and leaving
    >>>>>>> facial
    >>>>>>> scratches just missing the eye and making us all tense, I bought a
    >>>>>>> Feliway
    >>>>>>> comfort zone diffuser.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I put it in the middle of the house in the dining room and it's
    >>>>>>> unbelievable how different the behavior of all three cats is. No
    >>>>>>> aggression, no threatening hisses or cries from Jasper and the other
    >>>>>>> two
    >>>>>>> cats are much more relaxed, too. Freddy is sleeping out in the open
    >>>>>>> instead of always under or on a dining chair or against a wall to
    >>>>>>> protect
    >>>>>>> from attack.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> No drama even when Freddy muscled Jasper aside to eat first the
    >>>>>>> morning
    >>>>>>> after I plugged it in.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I'm a believer.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Unfortunately, Jasper has begun puking again this past few days and
    >>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>> saw
    >>>>>>> the first pink puddle just now in my closet. He has been so much
    >>>>>>> better,
    >>>>>>> regaining weight, may be time to rotate to venison or lamb or
    >>>>>>> something
    >>>>>>> else from the same hypoallergenic brand.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Interesting.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Susan I have been still using up the Spot's Stew we bought. I have
    >>>>> found a little trick that helps stop the puking. I give my cat
    >>>>> "Baby" only a tiny bit in her bowl at a time. I notice she pukes
    >>>>> when she eats a lot at once, so I am only giving her little bits at a
    >>>>> time. Seems to help a lot.
    >>>>
    >>>>Ballerina and Jazzy wouldn't eat that at all. I finally found a place
    >>>>to
    >>>>donate all of the food they wouldn't eat. And I had several cases.
    >>>>Turns
    >>>>out the very food bank I had been making donations to not only takes cat
    >>>>food but needed it! I also donated a case of chopped tomatoes. Another
    >>>>thing they needed. Costco had a sale B1G1F.
    >>>>
    >>>>These cats love their grain free NOW! dry food. Especially the mom.
    >>>>But
    >>>>the only moist food they will eat is some form of tuna. Most of the
    >>>>cans
    >>>>seem to mix it with something else that they don't like. They will eat
    >>>>the
    >>>>two tuna Appetizers from Fancy Feast and also the chicken and tuna. And
    >>>>they will eat (but to a lesser degree) the Fancy Feast grilled or flaked
    >>>>tuna. I am not really thrilled to be feeding it to them though. I will
    >>>>keep looking for something else.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> My cats almost ALWAYS puke up tuna, so I avoid buying it. We usually
    >>> buy a case of friskies assorted cans in Sam's Club and there are a few
    >>> of the flavors they don't like, but for the most part they eat it all.
    >>> I also buy raw chicken livers and give them each one as a treat
    >>> mid-day. They LOVE those and eat them up right away. They never
    >>> puke that up!
    >>>
    >>> I am glad you found a place to donate pet food. I have heard that
    >>> many families are giving up their pets due to the difficult economic
    >>> times, and that food pantries are glad to get pet food.

    >>
    >>I won some free cans of Friskies in an Albertson's game. Jazzy wouldn't
    >>eat
    >>it and it make Bali sick to her stomach.

    >
    >
    > We split a can between the two cats for breakfast and again at dinner.
    > They don't throw that up, but it is the dry food that comes up.


    She didn't throw it up. It was trouble at the other end.



  8. #28
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:24:22 -0500, Janet Wilder
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 10/18/2011 2:39 PM, Evelyn wrote:
    >> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:34:45 -0500, Janet Wilder
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 10/17/2011 8:01 PM, Evelyn wrote:
    >>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:07:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Susan"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> So, in desperation because my cat Jasper escalated aggression against my
    >>>>>> daugher's visiting cat, Freddy and began cornering him and leaving facial
    >>>>>> scratches just missing the eye and making us all tense, I bought a Feliway
    >>>>>> comfort zone diffuser.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I put it in the middle of the house in the dining room and it's
    >>>>>> unbelievable how different the behavior of all three cats is. No
    >>>>>> aggression, no threatening hisses or cries from Jasper and the other two
    >>>>>> cats are much more relaxed, too. Freddy is sleeping out in the open
    >>>>>> instead of always under or on a dining chair or against a wall to protect
    >>>>>> from attack.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> No drama even when Freddy muscled Jasper aside to eat first the morning
    >>>>>> after I plugged it in.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I'm a believer.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Unfortunately, Jasper has begun puking again this past few days and I saw
    >>>>>> the first pink puddle just now in my closet. He has been so much better,
    >>>>>> regaining weight, may be time to rotate to venison or lamb or something
    >>>>>> else from the same hypoallergenic brand.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Interesting.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Susan I have been still using up the Spot's Stew we bought. I have
    >>>> found a little trick that helps stop the puking. I give my cat
    >>>> "Baby" only a tiny bit in her bowl at a time. I notice she pukes
    >>>> when she eats a lot at once, so I am only giving her little bits at a
    >>>> time. Seems to help a lot.
    >>>>
    >>>> Evelyn
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Evelyn,
    >>>
    >>> I had a cat like that. We swore she was bulemic. She'd gobble up
    >>> everything then puke. We started giving her several small meals a day.
    >>> She stopped puking and started to get rid of a lot of excess weight.

    >>
    >>
    >> Yes, the tiny meals works out pretty well for "baby" but the other
    >> cat refuses ALL dry food .... eats only canned food, and she never
    >> pukes ever.
    >>
    >> Evelyn

    >
    >The cat that we gave the small meals to was allergic to canned food. No
    >matter what we tried, she would get a skin problem from canned food. She
    >ate dry food only and did well. She lived to well over 20.



    That's a really ripe old age for a cat!

    Evelyn

  9. #29
    Ozgirl Guest

    Default Re: OT: for the cat people



    "Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > On 10/18/2011 2:56 PM, Peppermint Patootie wrote:
    >
    >> Hmmm... interesting. Had you tried "Rescue Remedy?" It's a
    >> homeopathic
    >> calmer which has a good rep. I tend to have to shut 1/2 my brain
    >> down
    >> to believe a homeopathic remedy can do anything, but I'm told it
    >> works.
    >> I may try some of it myself, and, if it doesn't live up to its rep,
    >> try
    >> the Feliway based on your report.

    >
    > Nope. First of all, I have a hard time believing in homeopathic
    > remedies "memory" theory in solution... and I could never medicate
    > Jasper, he practically shredded the house call vet and her assistant,
    > scared the bejeebies out of them, they'd never encountered a cat like
    > him before. :-)
    >
    >>
    >> I have four indoor cats and one outdoor cat who I thought was feral,
    >> but
    >> I've started thinking is actually a stray who's had bad interactions
    >> with humans. I've managed to touch him three times now (which I have
    >> never been able to do with a true feral), and he looks to get in the
    >> back door when I bring his dinner out. In the evening he's been
    >> getting
    >> up on the outside ledge of the living room window and watch us
    >> inside.
    >> All of my indoor cats get nervous when he does that, and one of them
    >> tries to go after him through the window. Smudgie (the feral) will
    >> be
    >> rubbing up against the outside of the window glass, and Sebastian
    >> (former feral indoor cat) will yowl and charge from the inside.
    >>
    >> Smudgie's not good enough with people to try to adopt him out (yet),
    >> and
    >> I already have four cats in a three cat house, with various social
    >> tensions. I'd forgotten about easing tensions via supplement, etc.
    >> Not
    >> that I'm going to bring Smudgie in, but it could keep them from
    >> getting
    >> so upset by the sight of him.
    >>
    >> Its starting to get cold, so this weekend I washed out the plastic
    >> dog
    >> house I've used as a shelter in the past, and made sure the outdoor
    >> heating pad inside was working. I still need to put more soft stuff
    >> in
    >> there. I don't know if Smudgie's clued into it yet, but once I get
    >> the
    >> cushions in I'll put in some dry cat food to pull him inside.

    >
    > Priscilla, I can't recommend the Comfort Zone diffuser highly enough,
    > it's completely relaxed them all, the ones under siege and Jasper...
    > three days without incident, when violence, shrieks, hissing were
    > becoming constant with time, not less. But I'd buy it online to pay
    > literally about half as much. I paid $52 due to desperation but it's
    > much cheaper online. For marking/spraying, they say it takes 1 month
    > or more, but for my purpose, the effect was instantaneous. I read a
    > lot of reviews in a lot of places before buying, and my daughter said
    > it helped when she introduced Freddy to their existing cat.
    > Interesting that Freddy was the alpha in that situ, because he's a
    > sweetie pie gentleman here.
    >
    > Susan


    Rescue Remedy is a few small drops which could be added to food. I still
    maintain you should try probiotics. Cats DO get irritable bowel and in a
    nervous cat like yours it makes even more sense that the guts are
    churned up most of the time. Enzymes wouldn't hurt either.

    http://www.home.earthlink.net/~petsf...lineenzyme.htm


  10. #30
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    x-no-archive: yes

    On 10/18/2011 6:46 PM, Evelyn wrote:

    > That's a really ripe old age for a cat!
    >


    Seriously! 20 is very old for a cat, over twenty is incredible.

    Susan

  11. #31
    Janet Wilder Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    On 10/18/2011 6:16 PM, Susan wrote:
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > On 10/18/2011 6:46 PM, Evelyn wrote:
    >
    >> That's a really ripe old age for a cat!
    >>

    >
    > Seriously! 20 is very old for a cat, over twenty is incredible.
    >
    > Susan



    It is. And to think she did it on Purina Senior cat food.

    --
    Janet Wilder
    Way-the-heck-south Texas
    Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

  12. #32
    Tiger Lily Guest

    Default Re: OT: for the cat people

    On 10/18/2011 12:56 PM, Peppermint Patootie wrote:
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > In article<[email protected]>,
    > Susan<[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> x-no-archive: yes
    >>
    >> So, in desperation because my cat Jasper escalated aggression against my
    >> daugher's visiting cat, Freddy and began cornering him and leaving
    >> facial scratches just missing the eye and making us all tense, I bought
    >> a Feliway comfort zone diffuser.
    >>
    >> I put it in the middle of the house in the dining room and it's
    >> unbelievable how different the behavior of all three cats is. No
    >> aggression, no threatening hisses or cries from Jasper and the other two
    >> cats are much more relaxed, too. Freddy is sleeping out in the open
    >> instead of always under or on a dining chair or against a wall to
    >> protect from attack.
    >>
    >> No drama even when Freddy muscled Jasper aside to eat first the morning
    >> after I plugged it in.
    >>
    >> I'm a believer.

    >
    > Hmmm... interesting. Had you tried "Rescue Remedy?" It's a homeopathic
    > calmer which has a good rep. I tend to have to shut 1/2 my brain down
    > to believe a homeopathic remedy can do anything, but I'm told it works.
    > I may try some of it myself, and, if it doesn't live up to its rep, try
    > the Feliway based on your report.
    >
    > I have four indoor cats and one outdoor cat who I thought was feral, but
    > I've started thinking is actually a stray who's had bad interactions
    > with humans. I've managed to touch him three times now (which I have
    > never been able to do with a true feral), and he looks to get in the
    > back door when I bring his dinner out. In the evening he's been getting
    > up on the outside ledge of the living room window and watch us inside.
    > All of my indoor cats get nervous when he does that, and one of them
    > tries to go after him through the window. Smudgie (the feral) will be
    > rubbing up against the outside of the window glass, and Sebastian
    > (former feral indoor cat) will yowl and charge from the inside.
    >
    > Smudgie's not good enough with people to try to adopt him out (yet), and
    > I already have four cats in a three cat house, with various social
    > tensions. I'd forgotten about easing tensions via supplement, etc. Not
    > that I'm going to bring Smudgie in, but it could keep them from getting
    > so upset by the sight of him.
    >
    > Its starting to get cold, so this weekend I washed out the plastic dog
    > house I've used as a shelter in the past, and made sure the outdoor
    > heating pad inside was working. I still need to put more soft stuff in
    > there. I don't know if Smudgie's clued into it yet, but once I get the
    > cushions in I'll put in some dry cat food to pull him inside.
    >
    > Priscilla


    the folks that do rescue use Rescue Remedy and find it to be effective
    and not harmful to the animal

    outdoor bedding? hit the sally ann or thrift shop and pick up some of
    the bed quilts with the man made fibre fill in them. those
    quilts/comforters often will have the batting move a bit, making them
    not appropriate as a queen cover, but what a nice bedding they make for
    the cats who will hunker down into it.......... better, it's man made
    fill, so you toss it in the wash and dryer and it dries faster

    random thoughts, maybe something will help?

    kate

  13. #33
    Tiger Lily Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    On 10/18/2011 9:33 AM, Susan wrote:
    >
    >
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > On 10/18/2011 11:27 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:
    >
    >> went thru food allergies with one dog...... the vet wanted to save
    >> venison as a last resort
    >>
    >> random comment fyi
    >>

    >
    > Well, the store has duck and venison in addition to the rabbit/pea
    > protein we need a break from.
    >
    > The vet chose rabbit thinking "duck is like chicken, venison like beef,
    > rabbit is less like anything he's already had."
    >
    > Since the cat is so stressed by exams and procedures, this rotation diet
    > is a last resort. :-/ I'll buy the duck formula and see how it goes,
    > maybe change it up in 4 weeks to venison.
    >
    > Susan


    hmmm, valium?

    sure hope this little guy gets better soon!

    kate

  14. #34
    Storrmmee Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    she did it because you paid attention to her individual needs, proud of you
    Lee
    "Janet Wilder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:4e9e2b23$0$11319$c3e8da3$[email protected] eb.com...
    > On 10/18/2011 6:16 PM, Susan wrote:
    >> x-no-archive: yes
    >>
    >> On 10/18/2011 6:46 PM, Evelyn wrote:
    >>
    >>> That's a really ripe old age for a cat!
    >>>

    >>
    >> Seriously! 20 is very old for a cat, over twenty is incredible.
    >>
    >> Susan

    >
    >
    > It is. And to think she did it on Purina Senior cat food.
    >
    > --
    > Janet Wilder
    > Way-the-heck-south Texas
    > Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.




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    Susan Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    x-no-archive: yes

    On 10/18/2011 9:42 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

    > It is. And to think she did it on Purina Senior cat food.
    >


    Good genes, they count. :-)

    Susan

  16. #36
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    x-no-archive: yes

    On 10/19/2011 12:40 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:

    > hmmm, valium?
    >


    You're not getting the picture; he freaks out over anything, like
    Advantage drops between his shoulder blades or meds.

    I got him an rx imipramine cream to rub on his ear, but the sensation
    freaked him out so much that he became very riled and anxious any time I
    approached him after the first two times. Too bad; it worked very well.

    Susan

  17. #37
    Tiger Lily Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    On 10/19/2011 7:31 AM, Susan wrote:
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > On 10/19/2011 12:40 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:
    >
    >> hmmm, valium?
    >>

    >
    > You're not getting the picture; he freaks out over anything, like
    > Advantage drops between his shoulder blades or meds.
    >
    > I got him an rx imipramine cream to rub on his ear, but the sensation
    > freaked him out so much that he became very riled and anxious any time I
    > approached him after the first two times. Too bad; it worked very well.
    >
    > Susan


    I wish you all the best. You have made great progress despite not being
    in the zone you would like to get this cat to.

    sigh, poor little kitty

    kate

  18. #38
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    x-no-archive: yes


    On 10/19/2011 11:48 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:

    > I wish you all the best. You have made great progress despite not being
    > in the zone you would like to get this cat to.


    >
    > sigh, poor little kitty
    >


    Except for when the puking and gastric inflammation acts up, he's fine
    as long as you don't try to do anything to him, or as long as you're not
    a stranger to him. He's sweet, cuddly, very attentive and possessive of
    me, especially.

    But he's genuinely weird more than a poor, suffering kitty.

    So far, no puking since swapping for duck yesterday. They aren't liking
    the canned, but the dry is being eaten. Even Fat Freddy won't eat the
    canned with gusto. :-)

    Susan


  19. #39
    Peppermint Patootie Guest

    Default Re: for the cat people

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Susan <[email protected]> wrote:

    > x-no-archive: yes


    > Seriously! 20 is very old for a cat, over twenty is incredible.
    >
    > Susan


    The cat I grew up with lived to be 20. I was off in college when they
    finally had to put him down. He was stone deaf, had cataracts and
    arthritis, and his kidneys finally started to fail, IIRC. They buried
    him up at the house in Vermont, under the catnip bush in my mother's
    herb garden. :-)

    He was a great cat! During the academic year he was the perfect
    apartment cat, but when we went up to Vermont on spring/fall weekends
    and in the summer, he transformed into a mighty hunter who ruled the
    property.

    A few years ago when I did the battery of psych tests that resulted in
    the confirmation of my ADD, part of it was a lengthy history. When
    asked "What member of your family were you closest to as a child," I
    replied, "The cat."

    Priscilla
    --
    "What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
    of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
    - Chris Malcolm

  20. #40
    Peppermint Patootie Guest

    Default Re: OT: for the cat people

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Storrmmee" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > the real problem with a situation like yours is "displaced" agression, where
    > the charging cat goes for one of his housemates since he cant get to outdoor
    > kitty... its good you know your limits, lots of people give me that"horder"
    > look when they find out how many i have, but what they never know as they
    > don't ask is how many i have trapped, sheltered/rehomed... Lee


    Yes, I know about displaced aggression. So far there's been none of
    that aside from their being on edge and have used me as a launching pad
    when freaked, with resulting scratches on me. They have their own
    interpersonal issues, and these don't seem to be affected by Smudgie's
    catalysing.

    PP
    --
    "What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
    of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
    - Chris Malcolm

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