Thread: OT cat biting!

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On 7/7/2012 8:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
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>>> this should be fun
>>
>> But it's not funny, cat bites are extremely dangerous.
>>
>> I know two people who ended up hospitalized on IV antibiotics after cat
>> bites. Just takes one breaking the skin.
>>
>> I'd use a water spray mister to discourage it every single time it
>> happens.
>
> That would never work. They both love water. They would like that.

It'd work if you added a little vinegar to the bottle.

Cheri

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On 7/8/2012 10:28 AM, Cheri wrote:

> It'd work if you added a little vinegar to the bottle.
>

Cat's hate the sudden surprise of it, whether it's plain water or
something else.

Susan

"Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 7/8/2012 10:28 AM, Cheri wrote:
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>> It'd work if you added a little vinegar to the bottle.
>>
>
> Cat's hate the sudden surprise of it, whether it's plain water or
> something else.
>
> Susan


I know. I used to have a cat years ago that insisted on jumping on the
screen door and hanging there, so a few good squirts with a bit of vinegar
water took care of it, works on my dog too. The lady that writes pet advice
in the Stockton Record recommends it, so it couldn't be all that bad. :-)

Cheri

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>> "Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> On 7/7/2012 8:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>>> this should be fun
>>>
>>> But it's not funny, cat bites are extremely dangerous.
>>>
>>> I know two people who ended up hospitalized on IV antibiotics after cat
>>> bites. Just takes one breaking the skin.
>>>
>>> I'd use a water spray mister to discourage it every single time it
>>> happens.
>>
>> That would never work. They both love water. They would like that.
>
> It'd work if you added a little vinegar to the bottle.

That would be cruel! And stinky.

"Bjørn Steensrud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Susan wrote:
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>> On 7/7/2012 8:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>> this should be fun
>>
>> But it's not funny, cat bites are extremely dangerous.
>>
>> I know two people who ended up hospitalized on IV antibiotics after cat
>> bites. Just takes one breaking the skin.
>>
>> I'd use a water spray mister to discourage it every single time it
>> happens.
>>
>> Susan
>
> You are right, Susan, but I think Julie is talking about bites that do not
> break the skin - and I do believe those are signals. My stud cat used a
> gentle bite to say "More, please" if I stopped stroking or scratching him
> while he still wanted more. Currenly I have a neutered male that does the
> same thing, but I have to watch his body language to know when it means
> "Stop that, it's annoying!"
>
> It takes a long time to become fluent in Cat . and I'm just learning some
> rudimentary Dog, as my daughter and her family acquired a rescue
> Jämthund -
> Swedish Elk Hound.

Right. No broken skin.

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On 7/8/2012 4:40 AM, Bjørn Steensrud wrote:

> You are right, Susan, but I think Julie is talking about bites that do not
> break the skin - and I do believe those are signals. My stud cat used a
> gentle bite to say "More, please" if I stopped stroking or scratching him
> while he still wanted more. Currenly I have a neutered male that does the
> same thing, but I have to watch his body language to know when it means
> "Stop that, it's annoying!"
>
> It takes a long time to become fluent in Cat . and I'm just learning some
> rudimentary Dog, as my daughter and her family acquired a rescue Jämthund -
> Swedish Elk Hound.

I've been fluent in cat for most of my life.

Any bite can cause an accidental puncture and those are very, very
dangerous.

Susan

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>> On 7/7/2012 8:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
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>>>>> this should be fun
>>>>
>>>> But it's not funny, cat bites are extremely dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> I know two people who ended up hospitalized on IV antibiotics after cat
>>>> bites. Just takes one breaking the skin.
>>>>
>>>> I'd use a water spray mister to discourage it every single time it
>>>> happens.
>>>
>>> That would never work. They both love water. They would like that.
>>
>> It'd work if you added a little vinegar to the bottle.
>
> That would be cruel! And stinky.

No, it's not...either one. Professional people use it.

Cheri

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On 7/8/2012 6:58 PM, Cheri wrote:

> No, it's not...either one. Professional people use it.
>

It's neither. Sometimes I grab the vinegar water my house cleaner uses
to mop the wood floors... about a TBS of vinegar per qt.

Susan

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> On 7/8/2012 6:58 PM, Cheri wrote:
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>> No, it's not...either one. Professional people use it.
>>
>
> It's neither. Sometimes I grab the vinegar water my house cleaner uses to
> mop the wood floors... about a TBS of vinegar per qt.
>
> Susan

Yes, we're not talking about strong strength or anything, just enough to get
their attention, and a light vinegar smell dissipates really quickly,
but...oh well. ha ha ha ha

Cheri

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>> "Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>>> On 7/7/2012 8:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> this should be fun
>>>>>
>>>>> But it's not funny, cat bites are extremely dangerous.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know two people who ended up hospitalized on IV antibiotics after
>>>>> cat bites. Just takes one breaking the skin.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd use a water spray mister to discourage it every single time it
>>>>> happens.
>>>>
>>>> That would never work. They both love water. They would like that.
>>>
>>> It'd work if you added a little vinegar to the bottle.
>>
>> That would be cruel! And stinky.
>
> No, it's not...either one. Professional people use it.
>
> Cheri

Yes it is! I can't STAND the smell of vinegar. And I'm not about to keep a
bottle of it in my bed. She bites us when we are sleeping.

"Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On 7/8/2012 6:58 PM, Cheri wrote:
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>>> No, it's not...either one. Professional people use it.
>>>
>>
>> It's neither. Sometimes I grab the vinegar water my house cleaner uses
>> to mop the wood floors... about a TBS of vinegar per qt.
>>
>> Susan
>
> Yes, we're not talking about strong strength or anything, just enough to
> get their attention, and a light vinegar smell dissipates really quickly,
> but...oh well. ha ha ha ha

It might dissipate really quickly for you but it certainly doesn't for me.
It's one of those scents that lingers in my nose.

"Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 7/8/2012 4:40 AM, Bjørn Steensrud wrote:
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>> You are right, Susan, but I think Julie is talking about bites that do
>> not
>> break the skin - and I do believe those are signals. My stud cat used a
>> gentle bite to say "More, please" if I stopped stroking or scratching him
>> while he still wanted more. Currenly I have a neutered male that does the
>> same thing, but I have to watch his body language to know when it means
>> "Stop that, it's annoying!"
>>
>> It takes a long time to become fluent in Cat . and I'm just learning some
>> rudimentary Dog, as my daughter and her family acquired a rescue
>> Jämthund -
>> Swedish Elk Hound.
>
> I've been fluent in cat for most of my life.
>
> Any bite can cause an accidental puncture and those are very, very
> dangerous.

Me too and no cat has ever broken the skin from a bite. Now a scratch?
Yes.

On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:56:19 -0400, [email protected] (Colt T) wrote:

>Being a Christian I've never seen any ghosts or ufos, both ghosts and
>aliens are really demons.

And demons and goods, of course, are just figments of the imaginations
of those who choose not to live in reality.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Alan S wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:56:19 -0400, [email protected] (Colt T) wrote:
>
>>Being a Christian I've never seen any ghosts or ufos, both ghosts and
>>aliens are really demons.
>
> And demons and goods, of course, are just figments of the imaginations
> of those who choose not to live in reality.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d & e; metformin 2000mg

From a story I read a while back:

B: Doesn't an atheist believe in anything?
A: We believe that what we observe with senses and instrument is reality.
B: Doesn't everyone?
A: No, in Hinduism, for example, what we observe is Maya - illusion.

Susan wrote:

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> On 7/8/2012 4:40 AM, Bjørn Steensrud wrote:
>
>> You are right, Susan, but I think Julie is talking about bites that do
>> not break the skin - and I do believe those are signals. My stud cat used
>> a gentle bite to say "More, please" if I stopped stroking or scratching
>> him while he still wanted more. Currenly I have a neutered male that does
>> the same thing, but I have to watch his body language to know when it
>> means "Stop that, it's annoying!"
>>
>> It takes a long time to become fluent in Cat . and I'm just learning some
>> rudimentary Dog, as my daughter and her family acquired a rescue Jämthund
>> - Swedish Elk Hound.
>
> I've been fluent in cat for most of my life.
>
> Any bite can cause an accidental puncture and those are very, very
> dangerous.
>
> Susan

At any cat show, if a human gets bitten with a puncture they are sent
straight to the ER for that reason. A little scratch gets a band-aid while
multiple deep scratches also rate an ER visit. Been there, done that to
stewards but never happened to myself. (A steward is an assistant to the
judge, tasks vary between clubs and associations).

In article <[email protected]>, Susan <[email protected]> wrote:

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> On 7/7/2012 8:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
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> > this should be fun
>
> But it's not funny, cat bites are extremely dangerous.
>
> I know two people who ended up hospitalized on IV antibiotics after cat
> bites. Just takes one breaking the skin.
>
> I'd use a water spray mister to discourage it every single time it happens.
>
> Susan

I was referring to the fun we'd have in discovering what the cat is
communicating. Seems especially funny in that julie being an expert would have
such a problem with this

In article <[email protected]>,
Susan <[email protected]> wrote:

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> On 7/7/2012 8:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>
> > this should be fun
>
> But it's not funny, cat bites are extremely dangerous.
>
> I know two people who ended up hospitalized on IV antibiotics after cat
> bites. Just takes one breaking the skin.
>
> I'd use a water spray mister to discourage it every single time it happens.
>
> Susan

Seems a bit sever to me, if they aren't breaking the skin. The only time
my biting cat (Ginger) bloodied me was when she jumped up on the bed,
and didn't realize that my arm was there. To be fair, I was on 3 blood
thinners at the time.

Julie's cat seems more like it want to participate in the family, either
by playing too, advising against certain behaviors, or just being
affectionate. Ginger put her teeth on me today while I was petting her,
and there was nothing aggressive about it.

If you truly have an aggressive cat, as opposed to a cat that doesn't
have your sense of civility, I'd probably seek professional advice, or
put it down for fear of a law suit.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Susan <[email protected]> wrote:

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>
> On 7/8/2012 4:40 AM, Bjørn Steensrud wrote:
>
> > You are right, Susan, but I think Julie is talking about bites that do not
> > break the skin - and I do believe those are signals. My stud cat used a
> > gentle bite to say "More, please" if I stopped stroking or scratching him
> > while he still wanted more. Currenly I have a neutered male that does the
> > same thing, but I have to watch his body language to know when it means
> > "Stop that, it's annoying!"
> >
> > It takes a long time to become fluent in Cat . and I'm just learning some
> > rudimentary Dog, as my daughter and her family acquired a rescue Jämthund -
> > Swedish Elk Hound.
>
> I've been fluent in cat for most of my life.
>
> Any bite can cause an accidental puncture and those are very, very
> dangerous.
>
> Susan

More dangerous if they are house cats with a sand box, because then you
are talking toxoplasmosis (Symptoms generally pass unremarked in adults,
but infection can be dangerous to unborn children.). What did you do
with those dangerous cats? Put them down, or find another way?

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"Cheri" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >>>> On 7/7/2012 8:00 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> this should be fun
> >>>>
> >>>> But it's not funny, cat bites are extremely dangerous.
> >>>>
> >>>> I know two people who ended up hospitalized on IV antibiotics after cat
> >>>> bites. Just takes one breaking the skin.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd use a water spray mister to discourage it every single time it
> >>>> happens.
> >>>
> >>> That would never work. They both love water. They would like that.
> >>
> >> It'd work if you added a little vinegar to the bottle.
> >
> > That would be cruel! And stinky.
>
> No, it's not...either one. Professional people use it.
>
> Cheri

On other professional people?

Ron Hines DVM PhD
<http://www.2ndchance.info/aggressivecat.htm>
said that, "punishment never works in curbing aggression in cats. It
simply makes the problem worse. Your cat will become fearful or turn its
resentment toward you and the other cats. Instead, simply withdraw your
affection as soon as an incident occurs. Cats quickly learn that life
suddenly got more boring after they became aggressive."

But Julie's cat isn't drawing blood. Biting in cats, from many sources,
doesn't mean aggression. If your cats has several incidents where it
draws blood, you have some hard decisions to make, but that's not
Julie's problem.

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