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  1. #1
    Robert of St Louis Guest

    Default I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    pill for it soon.
    But I also have to watch my cholesterol. So I not only have to watch
    all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    cholesterol. So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    to find out what I could eat...and right em down. But they in the
    class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    could eat was celery.

  2. #2
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    "Robert of St Louis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    > pill for it soon.
    > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. So I not only have to watch
    > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    > cholesterol. So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. But they in the
    > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    > could eat was celery.





    Just to let everyone know that Robert is a friend of mine from another
    venue, and to introduce him here.

    Robert, you need to know that as a diabetic our worst enemy is starches and
    that our best friends are fats. If you get your blood glucose under
    control and you take the right supplements and treat your diabetes right,
    you can get your cholesterol under control too.

    --

    Evelyn

    "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
    nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
    into laughter." -Longchenpa


  3. #3
    Robert of St Louis Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    On May 28, 9:28*am, "Evelyn" <evelyn.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > "Robert of St Louis" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
    >
    > >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    > > pill for it soon.
    > > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. * So I not only have to watch
    > > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    > > cholesterol. *So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    > > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    > > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. *But they in the
    > > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    > > could eat was celery.

    >
    > Just to let everyone know that Robert is a friend of mine from another
    > venue, and to introduce him here.
    >
    > Robert, you need to know that as a diabetic our worst enemy is starches and
    > that our best friends are fats. * If you get your blood glucose under
    > control and you take the right supplements and treat your diabetes right,
    > you can get your cholesterol under control too.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Evelyn
    >
    > "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
    > nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
    > into laughter." * *-Longchenpa


    I did find out and googled..that I am going to be taking
    metafomin...the part I like it is suppose to protect your heart from
    the ravages of diabetes. That is comforting to know and somehow seems
    tied in with my cholesteral med

  4. #4
    Peppermint Patootie Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    Robert of St Louis <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On May 28, 9:28*am, "Evelyn" <evelyn.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > "Robert of St Louis" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in
    > > messagenews:[email protected]
    > > m...
    > >
    > > >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    > > > pill for it soon.
    > > > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. * So I not only have to watch
    > > > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    > > > cholesterol. *So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    > > > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    > > > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. *But they in the
    > > > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    > > > could eat was celery.

    > >
    > > Just to let everyone know that Robert is a friend of mine from another
    > > venue, and to introduce him here.
    > >
    > > Robert, you need to know that as a diabetic our worst enemy is starches and
    > > that our best friends are fats. * If you get your blood glucose under
    > > control and you take the right supplements and treat your diabetes right,
    > > you can get your cholesterol under control too.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > Evelyn
    > >
    > > "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
    > > nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
    > > into laughter." * *-Longchenpa

    >
    > I did find out and googled..that I am going to be taking
    > metafomin...the part I like it is suppose to protect your heart from
    > the ravages of diabetes. That is comforting to know and somehow seems
    > tied in with my cholesteral med


    Robert, there have been some interesting discussions about metformin on
    alt.support.diabetes which I think you should read. Metformin sounds
    great on paper, but it does have some issues, and some people can't take
    it. I had to go off it because of chronic diarrhea which I developed
    even on the extended release.

    BTW, welcome! And I agree with Evelyn: starches are your enemy and fat
    is your friend, as are fiber and exercise.

    PP, T2

  5. #5
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    "Robert of St Louis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On May 28, 9:28 am, "Evelyn" <evelyn.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > "Robert of St Louis" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in
    > messagenews:[email protected]...
    >
    > >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    > > pill for it soon.
    > > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. So I not only have to watch
    > > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    > > cholesterol. So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    > > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    > > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. But they in the
    > > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    > > could eat was celery.

    >
    > Just to let everyone know that Robert is a friend of mine from another
    > venue, and to introduce him here.
    >
    > Robert, you need to know that as a diabetic our worst enemy is starches
    > and
    > that our best friends are fats. If you get your blood glucose under
    > control and you take the right supplements and treat your diabetes right,
    > you can get your cholesterol under control too.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Evelyn
    >
    > "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is,
    > having
    > nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well
    > burst
    > into laughter." -Longchenpa


    I did find out and googled..that I am going to be taking
    metafomin...the part I like it is suppose to protect your heart from
    the ravages of diabetes. That is comforting to know and somehow seems
    tied in with my cholesteral med



    ******************

    Hi Robert,

    Metformin is a good drug...... IF you can handle it. In my case I got
    sudden attacks of diarrhea from it. Not a good thing if you are out
    shopping or whatever. Finally I just had to get another drug to treat my
    diabetes. Then the doc put me on Actos. Another problem. Lots of fluid
    retention and weight gain. Now I am on a third drug, and it is
    injected.... name of the drug is Byetta. So far so good, but it too has
    some side effects.

    I will echo what Patootie said, and recommend alt.support.diabetes. Lots
    of really good and knowledgeable people there. I will keep watch for your
    post to introduce you there. They are VERY fierce with trolls, and they
    often sneak in with innocent sounding questions, bringing down the wrath of
    the guard dogs there. :-)
    --

    Evelyn

    "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
    nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
    into laughter." -Longchenpa


  6. #6
    Cheri Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    "Robert of St Louis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    > pill for it soon.
    > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. So I not only have to watch
    > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    > cholesterol. So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. But they in the
    > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    > could eat was celery.




    Welcome Robert, try not to panic, you'll soon know some techniques and foods
    that will help you do both. Post often.

    Cheri


  7. #7
    Robert of St Louis Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    On May 28, 12:53*pm, "Cheri" <cher...@newsguy.com> wrote:
    > "Robert of St Louis" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
    >
    > >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    > > pill for it soon.
    > > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. * So I not only have to watch
    > > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    > > cholesterol. *So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    > > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    > > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. *But they in the
    > > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    > > could eat was celery.

    >
    > Welcome Robert, try not to panic, you'll soon know some techniques and foods
    > that will help you do both. Post often.
    >
    > Cheri


    I went to the public library this morning and got 4 diabetic food
    books. Here are two of my favorite titles.
    COMFORT FOOD FOR DIABETICS and the other is DECADENT DESERT FOR
    DIABETICS. I intend to make grocery lists of stuff I MIGHT like
    instead of cardboard and syrofoam.

  8. #8
    W. Baker Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    Peppermint Patootie <[email protected]> wrote:
    : In article
    : <[email protected]>,
    : Robert of St Louis <[email protected]> wrote:

    : > On May 28, 9:28?am, "Evelyn" <evelyn.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
    : > > "Robert of St Louis" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in
    : > > messagenews:[email protected]
    : > > m...
    : > >
    : > > >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    : > > > pill for it soon.
    : > > > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. ? So I not only have to watch
    : > > > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    : > > > cholesterol. ?So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    : > > > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    : > > > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. ?But they in the
    : > > > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    : > > > could eat was celery.
    : > >
    : > > Just to let everyone know that Robert is a friend of mine from another
    : > > venue, and to introduce him here.
    : > >
    : > > Robert, you need to know that as a diabetic our worst enemy is starches and
    : > > that our best friends are fats. ? If you get your blood glucose under
    : > > control and you take the right supplements and treat your diabetes right,
    : > > you can get your cholesterol under control too.
    : > >
    : > > --
    : > >
    : > > Evelyn
    : >
    : > I did find out and googled..that I am going to be taking
    : > metafomin...the part I like it is suppose to protect your heart from
    : > the ravages of diabetes. That is comforting to know and somehow seems
    : > tied in with my cholesteral med

    : Robert, there have been some interesting discussions about metformin on
    : alt.support.diabetes which I think you should read. Metformin sounds
    : great on paper, but it does have some issues, and some people can't take
    : it. I had to go off it because of chronic diarrhea which I developed
    : even on the extended release.


    I have been on metformin, the extended release version, for many years now
    and it works well for me. It ay take a whice for your system to get used
    to it so your doctor is likely to sart you on a small dose and slowly
    increase it until you are at a good dose for you.. Of course, you have to
    watch your starches and sugars, but there is lots besides celery you can
    enjoy.


    : BTW, welcome! And I agree with Evelyn: starches are your enemy and fat
    : is your friend, as are fiber and exercise.

    : PP, T2

    Hay! What about protein? it's a good friend of mine, along with the high
    fiber vegeables and plant oils and fats:-)

    Wendy



  9. #9
    Jacquie Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT


    "Robert of St Louis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On May 28, 9:28 am, "Evelyn" <evelyn.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > "Robert of St Louis" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in
    > messagenews:[email protected]...
    >
    > >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    > > pill for it soon.
    > > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. So I not only have to watch
    > > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    > > cholesterol. So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    > > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    > > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. But they in the
    > > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    > > could eat was celery.

    >
    > Just to let everyone know that Robert is a friend of mine from another
    > venue, and to introduce him here.
    >
    > Robert, you need to know that as a diabetic our worst enemy is starches
    > and
    > that our best friends are fats. If you get your blood glucose under
    > control and you take the right supplements and treat your diabetes right,
    > you can get your cholesterol under control too.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Evelyn
    >
    > "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is,
    > having
    > nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well
    > burst
    > into laughter." -Longchenpa


    I did find out and googled..that I am going to be taking
    metafomin...the part I like it is suppose to protect your heart from
    the ravages of diabetes. That is comforting to know and somehow seems
    tied in with my cholesteral med


    Welcome Robert. I have been on Metformin for 10 years now.....Imodium has
    become my best friend. I found I cannot tolerate more than 1500 mg a day
    without feeling very poorly but can handle the 1500 mg ok. I do much better
    on the ER than on the twice a day Metformin. So make sure your Dr starts
    you out slowly and stock up on Imodium Te first year I learned to take
    Imodium an hour before we planned to go anywhere regardless if I had
    Diarrhea or not....because Murphy's law guarantees that as soon as you are
    walking the Mall or being seated at a restaurant the attack will happen...so
    my motto is be prepared You may be like some and never have an attack
    after a few months....I still get them from time to time...so be prepared
    Jacquie



  10. #10
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT


    "Robert of St Louis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    > pill for it soon.
    > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. So I not only have to watch
    > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    > cholesterol. So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. But they in the
    > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    > could eat was celery.


    Newsflash! Fat doesn't raise cholesterol. Excess carbs raise cholesterol.
    You do need some carbs. But how many is enough and not too much is
    something that varies from person to person.

    Try eating protein like meat, cheese, eggs, nuts and seeds and plenty of non
    starchy vegetables. Add in starchy things gradually to see how much you can
    tolerate.

    Beans might be the exception. Yes they are starchy but also high in fiber
    (that's good!) and contain protein.

    Just remember, the right kind of fat is your friend. What fat is good?
    Avocado, olive, and plain coconut oil. Some say canola oil is good. Others
    think it is bad.



  11. #11
    Alan S Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    On Thu, 28 May 2009 05:53:03 -0700 (PDT), Robert of St Louis
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    >pill for it soon.
    >But I also have to watch my cholesterol. So I not only have to watch
    >all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    >cholesterol. So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    >a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    >to find out what I could eat...and right em down. But they in the
    >class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    >could eat was celery.


    G'day Robert.

    Yep, you're only allowed to drink osmotically filtered water
    and no solid food for the rest of your life.

    But all is not lost - you've struck a company of people who
    cheat on those rules and for some odd reason tend to do
    better than the average diagnosed diabetic out there.

    You've had some good responses, so I'll just give a couple
    of links at the end of this. But a word of caution; I notice
    you've obtained some diabetes food or cookery books. Be very
    wary. Most "diabetic" cook books are printed on paper that
    is too glossy for it's only useful purpose.

    Please read these instead. First, the best advice I received
    from any source after diagnosis (from someone here at that
    time): http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/new.php
    And this is something I wrote myself to help people in your
    position:
    http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html

    Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    --
    d&e, metformin 2000 mg
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
    http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Breakfast On The Run)
    http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Jerash, an Ancient City in Jordan)

  12. #12
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    "Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Thu, 28 May 2009 05:53:03 -0700 (PDT), Robert of St Louis
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    >>pill for it soon.
    >>But I also have to watch my cholesterol. So I not only have to watch
    >>all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    >>cholesterol. So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    >>a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    >>to find out what I could eat...and right em down. But they in the
    >>class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    >>could eat was celery.

    >
    > G'day Robert.
    >
    > Yep, you're only allowed to drink osmotically filtered water
    > and no solid food for the rest of your life.
    >
    > But all is not lost - you've struck a company of people who
    > cheat on those rules and for some odd reason tend to do
    > better than the average diagnosed diabetic out there.
    >
    > You've had some good responses, so I'll just give a couple
    > of links at the end of this. But a word of caution; I notice
    > you've obtained some diabetes food or cookery books. Be very
    > wary. Most "diabetic" cook books are printed on paper that
    > is too glossy for it's only useful purpose.
    >
    > Please read these instead. First, the best advice I received
    > from any source after diagnosis (from someone here at that
    > time): http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/new.php
    > And this is something I wrote myself to help people in your
    > position:
    > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html
    >
    > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    > --
    > d&e, metformin 2000 mg
    > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
    > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Breakfast On The Run)
    > http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Jerash, an Ancient City in Jordan)



    Robert, you can take EVERYTHING Alan says to the bank. He really is one of
    the best posters here, with excellent advice. I also agree with what he
    said about most of the so called diabetic cook books. Most of them are
    loaded with carb laden recipes.

    --

    Evelyn

    "Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
    nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
    into laughter." -Longchenpa


  13. #13
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT


    "Robert of St Louis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    On May 28, 12:53 pm, "Cheri" <cher...@newsguy.com> wrote:
    > "Robert of St Louis" <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote in
    > messagenews:[email protected]...
    >
    > >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    > > pill for it soon.
    > > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. So I not only have to watch
    > > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    > > cholesterol. So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    > > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    > > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. But they in the
    > > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    > > could eat was celery.

    >
    > Welcome Robert, try not to panic, you'll soon know some techniques and
    > foods
    > that will help you do both. Post often.
    >
    > Cheri


    I went to the public library this morning and got 4 diabetic food
    books. Here are two of my favorite titles.
    COMFORT FOOD FOR DIABETICS and the other is DECADENT DESERT FOR
    DIABETICS. I intend to make grocery lists of stuff I MIGHT like
    instead of cardboard and syrofoam.

    You might think twice before making stuff from those books. Most of them
    are not really suitable for diabetics.



  14. #14
    Robert Miles Guest

    Default Re: I feel 'trapped' between SUGAR and FAT

    "Robert of St Louis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >I was officially diagnosed as diabetic yesterday and will be taking a
    > pill for it soon.
    > But I also have to watch my cholesterol. So I not only have to watch
    > all starches, which are the one substitute for folks cutting down on
    > cholesterol. So I feel like any real alternatives are zero. I went to
    > a nutrition class for diabetes and was going to take all kind of notes
    > to find out what I could eat...and right em down. But they in the
    > class ...all I remembered was all starches turn to sugar and all I
    > could eat was celery.


    ..
    Robert of St Louis
    ---
    Remember that the low-carbohydrate diets (low in both sugar and
    starch) tend to be more successful in controlling type 2 diabetes
    than the low-fat diets often recommended, if you're able to follow
    the low-carbohydrate diets properly during the first one to three
    months it takes for them to start controlling your appetite.

    http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/new.php

    Your liver will make saturated fats out of any excess carbohydrates.
    Your liver also makes cholesterol out of carbohydrates if your
    brain signals that it needs more cholesterol (a significant percentage
    of your brain IS cholesterol). Therefore, a low-carbohydrate
    diet is often more successful at controlling your cholesterol levels
    than a low-cholesterol diet.

    You could also try a high-protein diet if you're not already too far
    into kidney problems. For early kidney problems, try adding a
    vitamin called thiamine or vitamin B1:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7796073.stm

    Robert Miles



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