On Nov 16, 6:18*am, "Bi!!" <rvwr...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 12:53 am, cwdjrxyz <spamtr...@cwdjr.info> wrote:
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> > On Nov 15, 9:17 pm, DaleW <Dwmi...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > On Nov 15, 8:59 pm, cwdjrxyz <spamtr...@cwdjr.info> wrote:
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> > > > The wine was Bonnes-Mares 1990, Comte de Vogue, bottle # 00624. There
> > > > were no cork issues, and the fill was quite high. The wine is still
> > > > rather full colored. It is now mature, but it might improve a bit more
> > > > and likely will last many more years. The bouquet is quite intense
> > > > with cherries, a hint of strawberries, and something floral coming to
> > > > mind. Tannins are resolved. There is plenty of fruit in the taste, and
> > > > the acid level is correct. The finish is fairly long. While perhaps
> > > > not the red Burgundy of the vintage for 1990, it is not very far
> > > > behind the very best. Unfortunately I only bought this one bottle
> > > > shortly after it was released. I do have a few bottles of de Vogue's
> > > > 1990 Musigny VV, and hopefully it will be a bit better than this wine,
> > > > but one could hardly complain much if it is not and is only just as
> > > > good as the Bonnes Mares.
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> > > I hope for your sake that the Musigny rocks! But in interest of full
> > > disclosure,it seems to be the one of the most heralded underachievers
> > > of the last 20 years. For a VERY expensive wine, lots of people have
> > > found it...lacking. I hope that your bottles show better. I look
> > > forward to your notes (I always do, actually!)
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> > I have not seen any recent tasting notes for de Vogue's 1990 Musigny.
> > However Clive Coates, as mentioned in his book Cote d'Or, tasted it
> > four times early on and he says all of his notes agree that this is
> > one of the wines of the vintage and he gives it his rather rare 20.0
> > point out of 20 points rating. He suggests drinking from 2000-2030. Of
> > course this does not prove that the wine will have developed as well
> > as expected - only tasting of the mature wine will tell. I agree that
> > some Musigny from this estate has not been up to what is expected for
> > the vintage in some years. For example, La Tache seems to be more
> > reliable, but then it costs much more than even the de Vogue Musigny.
> > Of course in the early 1990's neither of the mentioned wines was as
> > extremely expensive as popular recent vintages have been.- Hide quoted text -
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> Not sure I've ever had a Vogue that has lived up to expectations but
> to e fair, I don't think I've ever had one that is fully mature and
> I've had them up to twenty years old.

I never collected much Musigny. I have bought only 4 red Musigny wines
from Vogue including Musigny1949, Musigny VV 1949, Musigny VV 1988,
and Musigny VV1990. I also bought the Musigny Blanc1979. In contrast I
still have 23 different examples of the red wines from DRC from 1959
through 1990.

The 1949 Vogue Musigny is of course a legend and the plain (not VV)
was still very good several years ago. I have yet to open my single
bottle of the 1949 VV. The 1988, as was many other 88s, was a bit
tough and tannic when young and then went into a dumb phase. It
started to open up several years ago. I can not decide if it is likely
to improve much more or not. I have not tasted the 1990 Vogue Musigny
VV yet. If you store top red Burgundy properly, you may want to open a
bottle early to get an idea of how it may develop, but unless you have
tasted a huge number of wines at different ages, this can be very
difficult. For the likes of La Tache, Musigny, and Chambertin, I
consider the wine a failure if it is at the best before about 20 years
for the top years. I find very few top Burgundy wines very interesting
during their often long dumb period. I seldom open one much under 20
years old. Mme. Leroy has long proved that even some of the less
famous Burgundy wines can last and improve a very long time if the
grapes are grown with the best care and the wine is properly made and
properly aged. I believe she makes a Musigny, but to get a mature
example of it(or a young example for that matter) can cost even much
more than de Vogue.

I have not bought any red Burgundy or Bordeaux since the 1990 vintage.
One reason is that I want to be able to drink them at peak during my
lifetime. Another reason is the often extreme increase in price since
the 1990 came to market.. Also I fear that some estates have lowered
the peak quality of their wine by making it to be more drinkable when
young.